I’m wondering if I should just delete lemmy to stay under the radar. 🤔 (I’m a US Citizen currently residing in the US, and moving out of the country is not really an option)
I feel so conflicted on this. On one hand, this is kinda like giving in to authoritarianism, but on the other hand, dissenting is kinda dangerous. 😓
It’s completely unrealistic in the short term, more so in the long term. This would require arresting millions of people - there simply isn’t enough jail space. They would have to execute people on sight, and that’s also not realistic because low level soldiers would refuse (there’s a reason the nazis needed to build a system instead of just executing jews on sight). Obviously if this were attempted it would result in extremely violent resistence which would destroy any economic, political, or other incentives for such an action.
Instead we can see what happened in Russia for a more realistic example - there was a slow elimination of dissent. Even today there are some Russians who vocally oppose Putin and don’t get arrested so long as they stay small enough. And that’s in a place where the society never had a culture of freedom to begin with, so here it will probably be much harder and obviously MAGA is much dumber than the Russians too. But regardless that’s why it’s very important to be vocal now and oppose any silencing of dissent, like the removal of pro-Palestine activists here on green cards or even the pardoning of pro-Trump people, as this combined with harsh punishments for others is effectively silencing of speech. It may not affect you now, but if they keep at it for a decade or two it’ll get to you eventually.
Right now I think its basically zero chance, BUT we are absolutely hurtling face-first into that exact reality.
It’s our extremely unfortunate job right now to fight these fascist Cunts and do our best to prevent this reality from coming to be. I get that that is downright terrifying, but if we give in to that fear and bury our heads in the sand, doesn’t kinda mean they win?
no. well, not accurately.
which doesn’t mean you’re safe. it means compliance will not protect you-you could do everything right, and get nabbed anyway. shit’s gonna get messy…
the more imaginable scenario is that they always go for the edgiest fuckers, at a certain pace. that’s within their bounds to easily identify without wasting resources they need to fight other state level actors on it, and as long as you’re just a little less than the edgiest fuckers currently posting (oops) you’re probably fine. it will just be a slow ratcheting hand around your neck, that strangles you by millimeters, but you can just think of it as a really really high stakes version of reddit, if you need a familiar frame of reference.
don’t worry though; they’ll also be messy about this, and get a TON of the wrong people.
Give it 4 years when we have martial law and elections are suspended because we’re in “wartime” or some kinda shit and the opposite democratic leader is arrested
“We have always been at war with
EastasiaDemocrats.”
Same reason the people on 9/11 stayed in their seats - they thought they’d be fine if they waited it out.
to be fair, up until that point, hijacking usually just meant a detour. there was good reason for them to think that.
Except for the one plane where they just crashed into the ground
Listen at some point its time to realize you dont give a fuck about their threats, accept death as a possibility, and keep to your principles.
Like that man who stood in front of the tank during Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.
Im pretty sure were headed into such an event locally.
Like that man who stood in front of the tank during Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.
The guy didn’t die immediately. If you watch the full video, he was taken away by plainclothe police. Probabaly got disappeared and tortured. 😖
Torture is the most scary part of it.
All? Unlikely. But some? A lot harder to say. You’re asking for an opinion-based prediction at this point. I think they’ll probably eventually try to get the most outspoken critics, but I also think that’s a good time to not go silent. You get organized.
AI is a big help here. Including at current tech level. But why bother the expense or judicially-complaining process of arresting them, if you can arrange their next Amazon electronics order to explode?
I think it’s not feasible to search for anti -trump content and then track down the person, but is much more likely that once they have you they will check your phone to see if you are a dissenter. So any interaction with federal or local authorities will be risky from now on. I just saw a headline of a French scientist being denied entry after immigration searched her phone and found anti Trump messages. If anyone has advice on how to quickly wipe or lockdown a phone, PC, etc. please share. OpSec
GrqpheneOS has a second pin on your lock screen which, when keyed in, immediately makes the storage contents permanently inaccessible, deletes all Esims, and powers the device off. Graphene will remain installed.
There are also “panic button” apps out there that do similar stuff.
Then there’s the good ole, put it in the microwave, or taking a nail-gun to it
Thank you. Instant lock and wipe before handing it over to your friendly neighborhood gestapo holding you gun point is just what we need.
Not sure if wiping it right before the gestapo find you is a good idea tho. They see a wiped phone and would just assume the worst about the contents.
The worst they can do is kill you. Your gonna die eventually anyway, might as well do it for a good cause.
Take as many out before they do
Oh, torture is worse.
Death is a relief in comparison.
It’s more about setting up a system that rewards your neighbour for snitching on you. If that system is practical online, only time will tell. It worked well irl for other fascists.
Please watch this video about dictatorships and what to look out for.
It worked well irl for other fascists.
It is also a hall market every single communist regime.
It is a fun system but as soviets found out is that it get abused for personal reasons and sending everyone who gets reported to Siberia was just a bad economic amf social policy.
The way modidng on socials works, people would be more than happy to have ICE harass people whose opinions they don’t like Because their opinions are the only correct ones to have.
The way modidng on socials works, people would be more than happy to have ICE harass people whose opinions they don’t like
People are literally happy to SWAT other games. You can’t trust anyone with the power to bring shit down on other people.
Great point lol
Plebs are savages to each other and it is never a concern for the regime
I mean, DOGE already downloaded all your personal info. It’s easy to scrape socials and everything from there. What I meant is the ability to v& people en masse from online comments is yet unproven. I have faith that Elmo will find the right 19yo kids for the job though.
Extremely unlikely. Not for another 20 years or so, worst case scenario, and by then they probably won’t care about now.
First off, there’s way too many people who criticize the government to arrest everyone, secondly it’s completely unnecessary. Complaining about the government doesn’t really do anything other than allowing people to vent their frustrations and feel more content. It’s the same way Trump obviously isn’t going to “end elections forever” like people say, virtually every country in the world has elections, regardless of how actually democratic they are, because they’re a nice little ritual that lets you feel free and in control. It would be like saying that Trump is going to knock down the Statue of Liberty - he doesn’t have to.
Now, there are reasons to establish more secure lines of communication, like if you’re involved in actual organizing or if you’re either helping people do illegal things or planning to help people do things that could potentially become illegal - for example, shipping Plan B or trans hormones to people in red states. Laws in some red states about “pushing transgenderism on minors” could theoretically be interpreted so broadly that if you post information or supportive messages on a public forum and a minor in a red state happens to see it, they could try to come after you for it - but that would probably be found unconstitutional.
Using secure lines of communication for routine, everyday stuff helps keep those lines secure by generating more chaff they’d have to sort through, as well as familiarizing yourself with it and getting more people on board. However, you shouldn’t scatter to the wind preemptively and self-censor, beyond just not fed-posting.
This is why I use a vpn. But he’d have to prosecute half the people or scare half the people. I hope we’ll fight back if that ever happens
I don’t see them coming for all of us. It’s just not practical to arrest everyone who complains.
It all comes down to other characteristics:
- are you someone influential or high profile they can make an example of, to promote fear?
- do you have any connection to another country, no matter how tenuous, where they can use this as an excuse to deport?
- are you part of another demographic bias they want to persecute, such as lgbt, where they can use this as an excuse to legally persecute?
are you someone influential or high profile they can make an example of, to promote fear?
I’m just a nobody. No wikipedia pages or anything like that.
do you have any connection to another country, no matter how tenuous, where they can use this as an excuse to deport?
I was born in PRC. The US government could frame me as a “CCP Spy”, but like dude, I’m the most anti-CCP ethnic Chinese person in the US. I’m honesely afraid to getting deported then I’ll have to explain to the CCP about all those Anti-CCP stuff I said. (I’m end up in prison).
Like it doesn’t even make sense for me to be a “CCP Spy”, they literally tried arrest my mother and tried to terminate me (I was the second child that my mother had during the One Child Policy). Why would I ever help a party that almost prevented my existence?
are you part of another demographic bias they want to persecute, such as lgbt, where they can use this as an excuse to legally persecute?
I’m not really LGBT, but I really have no desire to seek a relationship so I think I’m just asexual/aromantic which the Magats would probably consider a “sexual deviant” or whatever bs deogratory label they wanna make, but like I could lie and say I’m straight.
I’m Chinese American, so, judging by the “China virus” racist rhetoric, orange cheeto doesn’t like people like me. 👀
Yep. You too might be a criminal, gangster, drug dealing, illegal immigrant that should be deported. If China won’t take you back, we can dump you somewhere else.
, I’m the most anti-CCP ethnic Chinese person in the US. I’m honesely afraid to getting deported then I’ll have to explain to the CCP about all those Anti-CCP stuff I said. (I’m end up in prison).
Hating authority do be like that. I do respect the position tho…
Some people simp america and hate China.
Some hate us but love China…
But the correct answers is both are brutal regimes enabling exploitation of the working people by the parasite class!
Fuk 'em all
In the long run, shutting up won’t save you from fascism. Every inch you give is a foot they take, and they will take and take and take if you let them.
If you’ve never wondered whether people living under dictatorships regret not exercising their rights more when they still had them, now’s the time to start pondering.
People in Germany protested in front of a Gestapo building in 1943. Post your posts.