I would tell people to fucking buy groceries and eat at home… That’s what sane people do. Saves ton of money and limits number of parasites taking an cut from 12 to like 4-5.
Plastic are inevitable and it is systems issues but many products exist where plastic container can by avoided like bar of shampoo for example.
Advertising works hence why people blocks ads and pay for ad free shit. It is worth it too.
It is funny how people are this unwilling to review their consumption habits without having degree of a melt down over it. Sure we are getting fucked by corpos but it does not mean you have to make it easy for them. But the normie can’t be bothered exercising simple economic behavior like product substitution and refusing to pay for certain luxuries.
this is not what this thread was about. stop finding a reason to bitch about the way our culture makes collective cooking unattainable for poor people.
we had society for thousands of years, and industrialized consumerist society for decades, before plastics. dude are you high? I’m ready to get on your level, for entirely altruistic understanding debatelord reasons.
if advertising works, then people are not wholly, or maybe even majority, responsible for their bad decisions in favor of what corporations want them to do-consume, and consume extravagantly.
yeah but you don’t have to make it easy
so stop making it easy. go after the bad guys. stop fucking victim blaming and destroying people, and remind them that there is an enemy USING them, taking their fucking freedom. someone to hate. make fighting back easier, instead of blaming them.
but the normie can’t be bothered to do the impossible fake bullshit corpos push on you to keep you from doing real resistance, because it is fake bullshit and doesn’t really work even where it exists, which is basically nowhere.
well then. it sounds like you just discard them as people. if they’re objects, why are they worthy of hate? that would mean they’re just tools being used by their masters. break the tools or stop their masters. your entire approach here is not internally consistent.
Deny them engagement and profit… Food delivery is peak luxury service but yet the normie keeps wasting money on it while crying about being poor lol
You are in thread under this comment.
I am not following this anti agency rhetoric. If people don’t help themselves, nobody is helping them. This includes being a discerning consumer.
I spend most of my time shilling against corpos, however, purchasers have agency and they have some economic power esp on luxury goods and services segments like food delivery.
You are having a melt down at the idea that I suggested that they should exercise some agency… Why?
I don’t see how this is victim blaming but I got downvotes and only rebuttal so far “victim blaming” and “futile exercise” which itbmihjt be futile if only I do it. It wouldn’t be me if enough people adjusted their consumption patterns.
im talking about cases of disabled people, or people who for whatever reason are hungry and cannot leave the house. the alternative proposed was GROCERY delivery. which kind of gives the game away, because everything wrong with it is the same, it’s just less ‘luxury’, so poor people should be less ashamed, I guess. and that’s what my objection is to.
anti agency rhetoric
okay so why do they spend so much on advertising? I’m not saying there’s no responsibility to resist, I’m saying it’s fucking hard. I go pretty hard on it, and I think it fucks me up a little. most of my expenses beyond rent are microcontrollers, lumber, flour, oil, and vegetables. I think it has made me unfailingly cynical, even more bitter, even more cruel, even less compassionate.
I think a lot of people don’t have the capacity to resist that we do, and I think that real emotional labor costs us. I don’t think blaming people who have less of this capacity than you and I are the perpetrators to go after here, morally, and, more importantly: I think attacking them for it degrades their capacity to resist, but pointing out the enemy that is attacking them could increase their capacity to resist, make it easier, and give them more clarity when they’re in that fucked up exhausted fugue state we all get pretty close to sometimes.
don’t throw a temper tantrum and lash out at proximal causes, even if they are a part of the swiss cheese. go after the root cause, or look at what gives you the best outcomes. I think in this case those courses of action are the same.
I think the last part of what im saying is the important part, and you would be responding to it if you weren’t more interested in shaming poor people for being poor than being angry at corporations that exploit their workers and customers.
just be honest; you hate poor people for being poor. you think they’re trash. it’s the internet, and a lot of the internet is from america; you can just DO that.
read what i fucking said. you just want to be angry at poor people. you do not want to improve their behavior. you are fanatically opposed to looking at the structural forces that incept this behavior in their heads.
you just want to be angry at poor people for wanting something they’re told is a nice treat. you are not interested in fixing the problem. you are interested in being angry at poor people. that is your only motivation here. I’m not interested in being angry at poor people, at least not as a class. I think being interested in doing that over doing anything to fix the problem or go after the structural causes is phenomenally shitty, and I can’t think of a good person who would continue to do that after having it pointed out, if it runs counter to the solution. which I believe it does.
I would tell people to fucking buy groceries and eat at home… That’s what sane people do. Saves ton of money and limits number of parasites taking an cut from 12 to like 4-5.
Plastic are inevitable and it is systems issues but many products exist where plastic container can by avoided like bar of shampoo for example.
Advertising works hence why people blocks ads and pay for ad free shit. It is worth it too.
It is funny how people are this unwilling to review their consumption habits without having degree of a melt down over it. Sure we are getting fucked by corpos but it does not mean you have to make it easy for them. But the normie can’t be bothered exercising simple economic behavior like product substitution and refusing to pay for certain luxuries.
this is not what this thread was about. stop finding a reason to bitch about the way our culture makes collective cooking unattainable for poor people.
we had society for thousands of years, and industrialized consumerist society for decades, before plastics. dude are you high? I’m ready to get on your level, for entirely altruistic understanding debatelord reasons.
if advertising works, then people are not wholly, or maybe even majority, responsible for their bad decisions in favor of what corporations want them to do-consume, and consume extravagantly.
so stop making it easy. go after the bad guys. stop fucking victim blaming and destroying people, and remind them that there is an enemy USING them, taking their fucking freedom. someone to hate. make fighting back easier, instead of blaming them.
well then. it sounds like you just discard them as people. if they’re objects, why are they worthy of hate? that would mean they’re just tools being used by their masters. break the tools or stop their masters. your entire approach here is not internally consistent.
You are in thread under this comment.
I am not following this anti agency rhetoric. If people don’t help themselves, nobody is helping them. This includes being a discerning consumer.
I spend most of my time shilling against corpos, however, purchasers have agency and they have some economic power esp on luxury goods and services segments like food delivery.
You are having a melt down at the idea that I suggested that they should exercise some agency… Why?
I don’t see how this is victim blaming but I got downvotes and only rebuttal so far “victim blaming” and “futile exercise” which itbmihjt be futile if only I do it. It wouldn’t be me if enough people adjusted their consumption patterns.
im talking about cases of disabled people, or people who for whatever reason are hungry and cannot leave the house. the alternative proposed was GROCERY delivery. which kind of gives the game away, because everything wrong with it is the same, it’s just less ‘luxury’, so poor people should be less ashamed, I guess. and that’s what my objection is to.
okay so why do they spend so much on advertising? I’m not saying there’s no responsibility to resist, I’m saying it’s fucking hard. I go pretty hard on it, and I think it fucks me up a little. most of my expenses beyond rent are microcontrollers, lumber, flour, oil, and vegetables. I think it has made me unfailingly cynical, even more bitter, even more cruel, even less compassionate.
I think a lot of people don’t have the capacity to resist that we do, and I think that real emotional labor costs us. I don’t think blaming people who have less of this capacity than you and I are the perpetrators to go after here, morally, and, more importantly: I think attacking them for it degrades their capacity to resist, but pointing out the enemy that is attacking them could increase their capacity to resist, make it easier, and give them more clarity when they’re in that fucked up exhausted fugue state we all get pretty close to sometimes.
don’t throw a temper tantrum and lash out at proximal causes, even if they are a part of the swiss cheese. go after the root cause, or look at what gives you the best outcomes. I think in this case those courses of action are the same.
You still using fringe case to make the point… How many of daily doordash orders are placed by disabled?
I think the last part of what im saying is the important part, and you would be responding to it if you weren’t more interested in shaming poor people for being poor than being angry at corporations that exploit their workers and customers.
just be honest; you hate poor people for being poor. you think they’re trash. it’s the internet, and a lot of the internet is from america; you can just DO that.
Being poor doesn’t excuse stupid behavior jfc
Buying doordash is a stupid behavior with a few exceptions but especially if you are poor.
But sure consume the slop, who fucking cares. Fund your oppressor because you can’t do substitutions or avoid bad deals.
read what i fucking said. you just want to be angry at poor people. you do not want to improve their behavior. you are fanatically opposed to looking at the structural forces that incept this behavior in their heads.
you just want to be angry at poor people for wanting something they’re told is a nice treat. you are not interested in fixing the problem. you are interested in being angry at poor people. that is your only motivation here. I’m not interested in being angry at poor people, at least not as a class. I think being interested in doing that over doing anything to fix the problem or go after the structural causes is phenomenally shitty, and I can’t think of a good person who would continue to do that after having it pointed out, if it runs counter to the solution. which I believe it does.
Bro… My work on here speaks for itself.
This comment thread specifically is about people acting like idiots and feeding capitalist regime with their bad consumption patterns.
I never denied your position has merit… You are the one who can’t appreciate the value of direct action and snow ball effect it can have