Well yeah, sure, except they keep supporting him. So their concern means jack shit, quite obviously.
If the top 25 CEOs came out and said “We are going on general strike until Trump is impeached”
This is probably 8 to 15 million American households.
No, its 25 americans.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Every corporation should fear their workers
I’m fucking tired of these insider anonymites wringing their hands and nothing changing, just shut the fuck up or be fully transparent with this. Take a meaningful stand and stop ass-covering so you can say I was against this the whole time when everything collapses.
“Maoist”? lol
So, is Trump gonna order executions of landlords now?
If that happens he has my utmost support. I would buy 5 overpriced maga huts in a heartbeat
Yeah, I’m writing a thesis right now about actual Maoism, and like… Really? That’s the phrase they chose?
Words used to fucking mean something!
Well his policies are already responsible for hundreds of thousands of death, so close enough?
Aight, so Imma put on my grad school hat for a minute. ‘Maoism’ as a term, isn’t stuff Mao did, or things that happened in China in that period. Heck, it doesn’t really even come from Asia.
Maoism, or Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, is an ideology which proclaims itself to be the next stage in the development of Marxism, and was codified, largely, by the Communist Party of Peru (Sendero Luminoso), and the network of parties that it a part of, the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement.
It’s called Maoism because the PCP and the RIM were grappling with the legacy of the Chinese revolution, the Sino-Soviet Split, the Reform and Opening Up under Deng Xiaoping, etc.
Think of it like this, Jesus Christ was not a Christian. Jesus was a Jew, responding to the context of first century Roman Judea. Other people came along later, had a bunch of ideas about what the legacy of Jesus was, and what came out of that was Christianity. But if you hopped in your time machine and asked Jesus if he was a Christian, he would not have known what that meant.
Similarly, Marx was not a Marxist, Lenin was not a Leninist, etc. Other people had a lot of ideas about the legacies of these people, their ideas, and the revolutionary movements that they were apart of, and what develops are these ideological lineages.
So Maoism asserts that, for example, the experiences of the Mass Line, and Cultural Revolution (or at least the idea that class struggle persists under Socialism) from the Chinese experience, are universal lessons, applicable anywhere. Rather than being specific to China.
There’s more to it than that. But I really want to make it clear that Maoism is more than just “and then we kill all the sparrows and our grain harvest will collapse!”
So no, not close enough. We don’t get to throw around words, if we claim to care about opposing fascism. Don’t make me pull out the Sartre Quote.
We can, and should criticize the Trump admin, but we can do it in a way that doesn’t boil down to “what are we, a bunch of Asians?!”
Yes I’m sure the business major guy was conscious of the finer points of 1950s Peruvian Marxist-Leninist factionalism when they called him that.
He isn’t conscious of that because that guy is a fucking dipshit who should think before he opens his mouth.
If we care about opposing fascism, the we ought to use words responsibly.
Media really trying to get that red scare stuff to get people to dislike Trump. You got this and then there’s Harris calling Trump a commie.
If they make them into communists then they can beat them and continue doing capitalism instead of admitting that conservative ideologies are all backwards nonsense that have never been proven to work outside of interactions made up by people who are consistently wrong about everything.
The problem being that for many people (including my own ex, apparently, both to my and my kid’s utter shock), authoritarianism and communism/socialism are synonyms. For those folks who got fed the propaganda and had no real reason or desire to question it, that’s the characterization that works the best to communicate the threat.
For reference, an actual conversation:
“Man, Trump is going to make the U.S. a full-blown communist country”
[Me and Kid: Mouth agape, silence for about 5 seconds]: “I’m sorry, WHAT?”
“Yeah, you know, communist, like Russia was with Stalin”.
“…do you not know what communism is?”
“Yes, it’s when there’s an authoritarian dictator.”
“No, that’s authoritarianism.”
“Oh. I’ve never heard of that before.”Yeah we know a large amount of the population has a middle school level intelligence and an elementary school ability to read. Doesn’t mean we got a cater to morons instead of publicly educating them.
If smart people are so smart, why aren’t they in charge?
Checkmate nerds!
True, but part of this is impact and speed. As an uneducated person, you can immediately grasp what’s intended here and why it’s bad. Takes longer, and probably time you guys in the U.S.* simply don’t have, to better educate folks to come to the same ultimate conclusion in large enough numbers.
Your education systems are widely gutted, general level of political knowledge is poor, and you have folks speed running to old school authoritarianism with the support of a lot of dumb people - and those folks are very close to the finish line. You. Don’t. Have. Time. I’m not saying I’m a fan but there’s a practical component to this.
*Noted that this is an assumption and you may not live in the U.S.
Wow…that’s just wild.
It was a very weird conversation. Most of the time I didn’t think about the education gap between myself and my ex, but that was one of (to be fair) maybe three times it was illustrated.
Credit where credit’s due, she’s pretty clever in most other respects, just not this stuff as much. And it’s not like I’m an expert myself, I just know the difference here 'cause school.
School didn’t teach me much of anything in regards to history, and my post-secondary education was in regards to buildings, not politics. I’ve never really understood the “education” argument when so many educated people I know are honestly pretty dumb save for the highly specific thing they’re trained in, and even then you can tell they were good enough at school to pass and that that doesn’t necessarily mean they can do their jobs well. School, in my experience, can even be quite difficult if you have a bad professor and go outside the bounds(I had mostly good ones and two that pretty much no student, or even some other professors, has ever truly liked but who unfortunately ran the program).
For me it’s about curiosity, mostly. I have plenty of gaps in my own knowledge but I try to actually learn stuff as I go.
These are very fair criticisms, and curiosity is key. It’s more about the opportunities to follow your curiosity/get exposed to ideas that may at first be outside of your interests. Formal education can facilitiate that well, but you’re right that it’s not the only way or the best way for everyone. Learning never stops.
I know one he could start with.
They’re trying EVERYTHING to avoid Nazi comparisons.
They fed this thing…
They paid for it. Do they have buyers remorse already? It’d be a good thing if the resulting shitstorm consumes them all.
Ok I can see a comparison to the cultural revolution, especially with the attacks against academics. But the landlord president is most certainly not a maoist
He’s definitely not ideologically a maoist (partially because he has no ideology beyond power and narcissism), but personality wise he shares a tendency to reject expertise, believe he knows best, and cause disasters out of stubborn narcissistic stupidity.
Although his death count is still 1/50 of that of Mao.
I’m not trying to be mean but how in practice is this substantially different than Maoism?
Maoism is more than just working class attacks on academia and culture. In fact that element of Maoism is borrowed from folks like Mussolini. Maoism also involves the regime being ostensibly socialist, includes long term planning, and largely revolves around rapid industrialization.
Maoism was a top-down industrial revolution at gunpoint, carried out by someone who had no idea what industrialization actually was. So the authoritarianism, the brutality and the ignorance are all characteristics shared by Trump. The only difference is the lip service to socialism.
So.
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Socialism 2. Long term planning 3. Rapid industrialization
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Maoism is a way to move towards socialism, it is not however socialism it just contains aspects of it like many forms of government. The us also has socialist policies and thus socialist aspects.
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The lie the admin is pushing is long term planning, they aren’t doing it but they’re certainly lying about doing it.
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“Bring back the factories” is a literal cry for rapid industrialization.
So I ask again how are they effectively different. They may sell it to you in a different package but the contents are essentially the same and I’d argue the result would be largely the same.
You’re absolutely right. Any country that makes long term plans, seeks to develop it’s industrial base, and “has socialist aspects” (which I assume mean, “the government does stuff”) is Maoist.
Emperor Meiji was a Maoist.
This is a very reasonable and coherent worldview. You’ve definitely read plenty of theory to know that one of the core tenets of Maoism is “making plans.”
I didn’t define it boss, read the comment then get rude of that’s your prerogative but at the very least keep up with the conversation.
You wrote down words, which is something Mao did too. Are you doing Maoism?
So you’re going to be rude instead of making a point?
I didn’t define anything dipshit the other person did and I responded.
I asked how they were different not the same, you should read the comment chain rather then be rude for no fucking reason.
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Bro literally gutted the farmers and used their tax money to bail out the country that replaced the exports of said farmers. That’s not very Mao of him.
You might want to look again at Mao’s catastrophic agricultural policies that led to mass famine.
Best comparison to that is still the million Covid deaths, at least half of which were completely unnecessary had Trump not intentionally sabotaged the US’s pandemic preparedness and then sabotages the Covid response with misinformation and withholding support.
But Trump did it out of malice, whereas I believe Mao at least thought he was doing something good. But both are narcissistic idiots.
But we’ll see if Trump manages to cause a real famine. It could still happen.
Trump is a narcissist he legit thinks he’s doing good so that can’t be it.
He already is causing a famine. Beef takes two years and of we can’t get enough domestically we go without for 2 years or we import it at exceedingly high markup because everyone knows we have no choice.
I didn’t ask for how consistent he was I asked how effectively is it different.
As an aside you should read more on mao if you think he didn’t willfully fuck his people over too.
Ah ok, you’re just trolling. Lol
Sparrows
How so? It sounds more like you’re deflecting.
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The professional slumlord is in no way Maoist, hes kinda the antithesis of it.
Also they did the meme . . . again
Mao Sow Dumb.
How are Western oligarchs so good at seeing something bad happen and concluding this is not us, this is what people from there do!
No its you. Learn to introspect…
Tycoons looked at a dude with a terrible business record who’s first term in office was a dumpster fire, and was clearly suffering from dementia on top of not being very bright to begin with and said “Yes, we want more of that”
They just were supporting both sides without paying attention.
They know that Trump is an idiot. But they know they can take advantage of an idiot. It’s working for them. It worked when Bush was in office. It worked when Reagan was in Office and the other Bush.
I think that only applies to a couple of them like Peter Thiel and Musk. For others, it’s been a neutral or negative experience and bound to get worse.
That was the hope at least
Source article:
It’s honestly a fascinating read. It’s fundamentally a PR piece, but the details (especially if you read between the lines) provide some interesting insights about how American oligarchs want to be viewed.
Difficult to make any educated speculation without direct access to the event (this is a PR piece first and foremost), but I get the impression there is an attempt to hedge their bets and avoid a scenario (even if it is low probability at this point) where they will have to go down with the ship.
Nearly three-quarters of CEOs surveyed said they were confident that U.S. free-market capitalism can compete with China’s socialist market economy in the global AI contest, and they expressed a near-unanimous discontent as the Trump administration has veered away from the capitalist system.
This is a particularly funny quote. America is not a free market model and China does not have a socialist market economy. Both are state capitalist countries with China being more centralised via the CCP and America allowing a measure decentralisation for oligarchs.
I get the impression there is an attempt to hedge their bets and avoid a scenario (even if it is low probability at this point) where they will have to go down with the ship.
There is precedent for that. The industrialists of the Famous Country in the 1930s had the same qualms about the Famous Leader and his Famous Party. But they liked the promise to rein in the Socialists and trade unions.
Spoiler: it didn’t end well for them
For the industrialists? It didnt end at all. They kept all their profits from the war and holocaust machinery and then went on their merry way to fund their next venture.
compete (…) in the global AI contest
Depending on the metric they may be right. The free market model may be able to outcompete in producing useless garbage.
Outside of AI? I think there’s hardly any contest remaining.
