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      The post’s criticism is that the DNC is ineffective at standing up to fascists, not that there’s nothing desirable in their proposed legislation. Proposing laws that are guaranteed to be shot down is not an effective way of standing up to fascists.

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          The Dems are doing so little to maintain the political norms of our society that they appear to be ok with them changing. They look like they’re just trying to make sure they each individually get to keep their seat. If that’s in a sham legislature, that’s fine for them. Bribes might be legal soon, so they’re getting a sweet deal.

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              You know what, you’ve convinced me. Im gonna go grab a beer and relax. Dems have done everything that can be done. There is no point in trying to prevent a third Trump term. It was gonna happen no matter what anyway.

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                If we weren’t watching a replay of the early 1930’s, it would be funny that Democratic ideologues still pretend that Dems are powerless when Donald has had the same amount of power as Biden and Obama for eight months and he’s completely remade American culture and government.

                The problem isn’t power. The problem is Dems simply don’t care as along as their personal wealth continues to increase unimpeded.

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          I would expect politicians to have better ideas than the ineffective shit they have been doing this year so far. Considering that I don’t believe that politicians at the national level are all actually that dumb, it has to be on purpose. There’s certainly DNC politicians who are sincere about wanting avoid fascism, but they aren’t the ones who run the party.

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              Don’t pretend like the DNC aren’t to blame for not getting enough votes. Look at how hard they fumbled the last national election, and how they’re treating Mamdani.

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              Dems had the presidency for four years. They had Congress for two years. With that same amount of power Donald has accomplished everything he wants.

              Did you notice those special sessions Abbott just did in Texas?

              The US president has the same power. He could have kept Congress in session for four years straight until he got what he wanted by sheer force of will.

              But that assumes he gives a shit.

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          Which of the bills you listed were about resisting fascism? I noticed two that were about actively capitulating to it (the ones aimed at disarming the populace), but zero that were about resisting it.

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            Fascism feeds on desperate and angry people. Economic reforms pre-empt fascism, while neoliberal economic policy leads inevitably towards fascism. Come on, this is basic Marxian analysis.

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              You really don’t get it, do you?

              We are rapidly approaching the time in which it will be necessary for the militia to defend the United States against a domestic enemy, if we aren’t there already. For that, they need to be just as well-armed, up to and including burst-fire AR-15s.

              Assault rifles are the type of firearms most worthy of Constitutional protection, not least, specifically because they are the last defense against tyranny. The more useful a weapon is in a military tactical context, the more I want the citizenry to have it.

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              Dems literally distributed tens of millions of lbs of food they delivered on a floating dock they built, via landroutes, and via airdrop.

              A floating dock that was operational for a grand total of 20 fucking days, land routes where aid trucks never reached their destination, and airdrops that all the experienced aid agencies referred to as a “grotesque distraction,” said “could never deliver the volume or the quality,” and are “expensive, inefficient, and can even kill starving civilians.”

              Dems literally withheld large bombs from the out of control Netanyahu admin.

              I’m certain the Palestinians are very grateful to have been killed with many smaller bombs rather than a few very big bombs. What a world of difference it makes.

              Dems consistently held the message of peace and ceasefire in exchange for hostages being returned.

              All while Israel refused to negotiate for the hostages’ return, even going so far as to kill the Palestinian negotiators, and always being the one to break ceasefires.

              Performative, ineffective, insulting “attempts” at delivering aid when Biden could have ended the genocide with a single fucking phonecall by conditioning defense spending to Israel on opening a humanitarian corridor and threatening sanctions if Israel continues violating international law. And I know for a fact that he could have done so because RONALD FUCKING REAGAN DID EXACTLY THAT in August 1982 when Israeli forces advanced beyond southern Lebanon and began shelling the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in Beirut. You cannot call yourself a leftist or even a liberal when you’re getting outclassed by Ronald Reagan.

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                I don’t think what Biden did was good enough. If it were me I wouldn’t have stopped at your suggestion, I’d have sent in the US military and deposed Netanyahu personally citing Israel’s own laws, international criminal justice, and defense of an ally nation under duress.

                But unlike you I don’t make that an excuse to justify the starvation of hundreds of thousands.

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                  But unlike you I don’t make that an excuse to justify the starvation of hundreds of thousands.

                  How, in all of the interactions I’ve had with you, have I ever given the impression that I’m justifying Israel’s genocide against the Palestinians? I’ve been ruthlessly criticizing Biden and the Democratic party’s complicity in the genocide and I agree that he should have gone as far as to depose Netanyahu by force if it came to it. I only mentioned conditioning defense spending and sanctions because that’s all it would have taken, and the most that could be reasonably expected of a neoliberal ghoul like Biden.

                  And I don’t know what you’re trying to communicate with that chart. Perhaps you’re trying to use the fact that Trump is far worse as some sort of gotcha, as if I don’t already know that.

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                    Uh, because you fight for the opposition, intensely waving and shouting that the lesser evil is just as bad?

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                    There is no higher level of justifying genocide than ignoring what Trump is doing and deflecting blame onto their only opposition.

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          because they hedge their bets. they don’t have morals they just adjust themselves to remain rich in any morality system

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              if you think they’re operating at a net loss for our net benefit, your either one of them and are doing the mental gymnastics required to move like they do or you just don’t actually look at them with even the minimal scrutiny.

              but sure, let’s pretend they don’t fix policies to always win at the stock market or have accountants to minimize their taxes. only making policies that are mutually beneficial for the upper class is still being a shitty politician who is not serving the people.

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                  it’s a false dichotomy, and I’m a little too old and jaded to fall for it again. I’ve seen them pull too much shit to still believe they actually want an end to fascism.

                  I write blue reps and they say “thank you for your opinion” and then they still play nice with fascists. and when anyone tries to hold them accountable there’s always a clown going “left unity! stick to the script, we’re the only option you have”. if that doesn’t sound like a rug pull to you, I think some of the paint got in your ears

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                So you’re saying the billionaires are controlling the entire Democratic party, and making them pass progressive reforms that help workers, and that’s somehow going to make them richer?

                The simpler explanation is that they don’t control the entire party, just a few key people at high level positions. They tell those key people to sabotage the election strategy so that the progressive idealists at the lower levels can’t pass genuine reforms. That’s the controlled opposition strategy.

                The controlled opposition strategy doesn’t work if the people vote D.

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                  What are the progressive reforms that Democrats passed which would classify as a big loss for billionaires and a big win for the common folk? Democrats have to pass some incrementally progressive bills otherwise they risk losing seats to more aggressively progressive alternatives. A party which only makes small incremental improvements is the ideal case scenario for billionaires in a context where you have a two party system one of which is “the progressive side”.

                  Sure a president like Trump which lets them loose so long as they pay tribute is much better for them but it is not like all their non-ethical practices and monopolies suddenly vanish with the democrat party in charge.

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                  so you’re saying

                  just stop right there. you’re an adult. try to talk like one.

                  unfortunately if your leadership is compromised, your party is compromised. As an example, here’s special golden boy Joe Biden moving congress to break a strike. Of course it’s just easier to buy him than it is to buy the whole party. Many will toe the line for free.

                  My benevolent brother in Christ above, the DNC is the controlled opposition. They are functioning as intended

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                    just stop right there. you’re an adult. try to talk like one.

                    So you’re saying “can’t say ‘so you’re saying’ anymore”? That’s some weak shit.

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                    I’m not your brother in Christ, asshole. I’m not a christian, I’m not a male, and I’m not engaging with you anymore.

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                    My benevolent brother in Christ above

                    How can you tell someone to talk like an adult and then bring this childish meme out in the same comment…

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          Because the state serves capitalism and none of their “issues” actually threatens any capitalist at all. When it does, you see both “parties” grovelling in unison.

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      For the record, I am against fascism. I voted against it.

      There. I will now await full credit for fighting fascism. After all, I’ve now done as much as the Democrats have.

      Edit: actually, I think I’ve voted against fascism more than Schumer has in the last year, so I guess I should get more credit.

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            If your method of wanting better from the Democrats is letting the Republicans keep power until everything is your ideal, you’re assumed to be an anti-American operative.

            FTFY

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              It’s wild to me how someone can say “I voted against fascism” and still be accused of “letting Republicans keep power”

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                That’s exactly what they want, if you don’t vote for their approved candidate, you’re against everything they stand for.

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                  No, what they want is for everyone to stop shitting on their candidate. It doesn’t matter (to them) who the candidate is or if you vote for them - if you’re drawing attention to how shitty they are then you’re just as culpable for their loss as the opposition.

                  The emperor has no clothes.

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                    This is exactly it. They view the person pointing out the problem as the problem. Not accepting that if we can see the problem it doesnt matter how much you scream at people to ignore it.

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              letting the Republicans keep power

              lmao My vote doesn’t matter at all where I live. Do you expect me to storm DC and take them out? Grow up.

              Normal people have absolutely zero power over this gross fascist system.

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                I dont block them just so that they dont get to say their stupidity without some reasonable response, and give them the downvotes they deserve but thats finitebanjo for you.

                Near infinite free time from their post history and none of it spent on expanding or growing as a person.

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      Libs literally think that spamming their endless losses and fascist collaborations is an argument. Please post about more issues that libs and fash collaborated on. Big winners.

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      Now with source and

      better structure

      Category 1: 13 Bills Passed By Democrats in The House but blocked by Republicans in The Senate

      1. “The Women’s Health Protection Act”: Should women have a right to have an abortion in America?
        • Dems: YES 218, NO 1
        • Reps: YES 2, NO 208
      2. “The Right to Contraception Act”. Should Americans have a legal right to purchase contraception?
        • Dems: YES: 220, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 8, NO 195
      3. “The Consumer Fuel Price Gouging Prevention Act”. Should the oil industry face penalties for price gouging?
        • Dems: YES 217, NO 4
        • Reps: YES 0, NO 203
      4. “The Assault Weapons Ban”. Should military style assault weapons be illegal for sale or purchase?
        • Dems: YES 215, NO 5
        • Reps: YES 2, NO 208
      5. “The Bipartisan Background Checks Act”. Should we expand background checks to cover all gun sales?
        • Dems: YES 219, NO 1
        • Reps: YES 8, NO 202
      6. “The Paycheck Fairness Act”. Should women receive equal pay for equal work in America?
        • Dems: YES: 216, NO: 0
        • Reps: YES: 1, NO: 210
      7. “The Marijuana Opportunity, Reinvestment and Expungement Act”. Should cannabis be decriminalized federally and have past non-violent arrests and convictions expunged?
        • Dems: YES 217, NO 2
        • Reps: YES 3, NO 202
      8. “The John R. Lewis Voting Rights Enhancement Act”. Should we enforce the provisions of The 1965 Voting Rights Act ensuring equal treatment for all voters?
        • Dems: YES 219, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 0, NO 212
      9. “The Respect for Marriage Act”. Should the Constitutional Right of same sex marriage declared by The Supreme Court be codified into American law?
        • Dems: YES 220, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 47, NO 157
      10. “The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act”. Should there be consequences for police for discriminatory and illegal policing?
        • Dems: YES 219, NO 2
        • Reps: YES 1, NO 210
      11. “The American Dream and Promise Act”. Should “Dreamers” who came to The US when they were young have a path to earn citizenship?
        • Dems: YES 219, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 9, NO 197
      12. “The Affordable Insulin Now Act”. Should the price of pharmaceutical insulin be capped at $35?
        • Dems: YES 220, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 12, NO 193
      13. “Child Care for Working Families Act” (part of “Build Back Better”) Should the government subsidize the cost of child care for certain working mothers and families?
        • Dems: YES 220, NO 1
        • Reps: YES 0, NO 212
      14. “The Violence Against Women Act”: Should the government have and fund comprehensive responses to domestic violence, sexual assault dating violence and stalking?
        • Dems: YES 215, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 29, NO 172
      15. BUILD BACK BETTER: In addition to Affordable Insulin and Child Care (above): Hearing Aids for Seniors, Child Tax Credit, Universal Pre-K
        • Dems: YES: 220, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 1, NO 212

      2022 Midterm Election Note: Most of the above bills WILL pass in early 2023 if voters re-elect a Democratic Majority in The House and #JUST2MORE Democrats in The Senate. None of these bills will be brought up for a vote in The House if Republicans regain the Majority and either Kevin McCarthy or Donald Trump is Speaker of The House. Republicans need #JUST5MORE Republicans to regain the Majority.

      Category 2: 3 Democratic Bills that became law with UNANIMOUS support by Democrats and minor support from Republicans in The Senate

      1. “The Honoring Our PACT Act” Should Veterans receive health care for serious injuries received from “burn pit” pollution while fighting in our wars?
        • Dems: YES 222, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 34, NO 174
      2. “The Invest In America Act” (Infrastructure Bill). An historic, massive infrastructure bill for America
        • Dems: YES: 219, NO: 0
        • Reps: YES: 2, NO 201
      3. “The CHIPS and Science Act”. Should we invest heavily in an American micro-processor (Chips) industry to compete with China?
        • Dems: YES 219, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 24, NO 187
      4. “The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act”. Should the government fund mental health, school safety and crisis intervention programs and incentivize states to include juvenile records in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System?
        • Dems: YES 220, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 14, NO 193

      Category 3: 1 Democratic Bill that became law with ZERO Republican support in The Senate

      1. “The Inflation Reduction Act”. The largest bill to fight climate change in history, reductions in prescription drugs, a 15% minimum tax on major corporations (and many other things)
        • Dems: YES 220, NO 1
        • Reps: YES 0, NO 212

      2022 Midterm Election Note: Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and other House Republicans have openly declared that THEIR legislative priorities include none of the above. Instead they will say they will focus on:

      1. Impeaching President Biden,
      2. Impeaching Merrick Garland,
      3. Investigating Hunter Biden and
      4. Making all abortions illegal throughout the United States.

      The Republican and Democratic Parties are NOT the same. There is an almost total difference in policy.

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      The Republican and Democratic Parties are NOT the same. There is an almost total difference in policy.

      The Uruk-hai and Democratic Party are NOT the same. There is an almost total difference in policy. The Uruk-hai are burning down cities, eating people and salting the earth, and the Democratic Party has consistently voted against every single one of those policies.

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      Keep fighting the good fight. A lot of folks nowadays have grown disenfranchised with the democratic model because they aren’t seeing their particular flavor of progress. We must continue to guide them away from the sugar high that is dictatorial power and channel their energy into the fruits and veggies that is the democratic process. It can bear fruit if we nurture it.

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        when your party is this full of stock market sheisters, woke-washed civil rights adversaries, and child touchers forever evading consequences, claiming sole ownership of the concept of “democracy” is stealing valor.

        nobody on the left is saying democracy should end, don’t be stuffing words in people’s mouths

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            that scoffinglizard guy? I have a lot of .ml users blocked so maybe I’m not seeing who you’re seeing but I think that lizard is saying democracy is already failed and we need a militia to restore it. or maybe I’m being too charitable, I’m trying to chill out from earlier and be more good faith-pilled

            I dunno, even commie types like the ones I block at least still pretend to want democracy. Social progress as a whole stops when you stratify legislative power.

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                maybe this is just my brain worms talking but given the context of the situation it would only really make sense if they were meaning in order to restore democracy. are you trying to get me to look at that person’s account for you or something? why are you trying to point them out to me?

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        We no longer have a democratic process. The only logical democratic process is to kill billionaires. Peter Theil not only wants to create a dystopian control, but he wants to literally end the human race. We need militia.

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      The Dem leadership is trying to lose on purpose so they won’t have to pass all these progressive reforms that their representatives want to push, and the tankies are helping them