This seems to be how the majority of Democrats in office are and they’ll never see themselves as wrong… They just point at Trump and say he’s what’s wrong. And yeah they’re not wrong about that but that doesn’t make them right or good either. You get stuck running for a bad candidate or a downright evil candidate. And yeah I voted for Harris. I voted for Biden and Hilary too. Id vote for a literal log of shit on the floor before I voted for Trump, but that doesn’t mean I liked the Democratic candidates or that I’m super happy with party. This country isn’t set up to make third party candidates an option… But no…I don’t think the Democrats in office will every see themselves as a problem.
Bernie is pointing out one of the major flaws of the Democratic Party and he is way ahead of his time in regard to US politics. Can you imagine if the USA would look at itself like Norway.
Is, “influenced by billionaires,” a euphemism for, “she let her uber executive brother-in-law talk her into gutting any economic populism from her campaign in favor of tepid centrist policies that cost her the election and ushered in a new era of American fascism?”
I mean I’m not sure Bernie is that woke, much as I love him, but that’s pretty much the view from over here.
I disagree, but I do think he has an outdated notion of civil politics and wouldn’t make the same point in connection with her. I’m surprised he said as much about Harris, though I’m grateful if it helps dissuade the Dems from re-nominating her.
Harris said on July 30 that she won’t run for California governor, leaving the door open for a potential 2028 presidential run.
Leaving the door open for her to run again or for someone else? How is being Governor relevant anyhow?
The door is open for her
As far as I know, one could be elected as California Governer in 26 and still legally run for president in 28, but it would be a lot, and open to attack for using CA as a stepping stone etc
Kamala not going for CA governor in 26 is being used as evidence for a 28 presidential run - it is kinda tenuous, but not completely out of nothing
I mean, I voted for her, and would vote for her again any day if it meant voting against Trump, but he’s not wrong.
She’s not really unique in that aspect compared to any other mainstream Democrat vs any outsider or mainstream Republican, and that’s probably ~90% of the DNC’s problem when it comes to overcoming voter apathy.
Realistically, most people are not expecting Dems to refuse large donations, but accepting a donation should not mean that you then compromise your own values to accommodate 1% of voters on any issue. That’s not how a democracy is supposed to work. That’s just pay to play.
Its so stupid to me that we’ve now reached the point that politicians don’t even pretend to be public servants anymore. They’re just paypigs doing whatever the money wants. Used to be, a campaign donation got you a “hi how are ya” and maybe a thank you card after the election. They sent you money and it was nice of them because you needed it.
Now with kamala, she got the largest grassroots fundraising of any candidate in history and what does she do? Listen to a bunch of rich fucks who gave the maximum contribution. I bet they all voted for Trump too. She’s either the most incompetent and gullible politician in american history or the dnc are fascist collaborators. The way she turned away from every popular idea she had makes it seem like she was told to lose. Im sure its been fucking great for her brother tho.
Bernie is correct as per usual.
If only being correct has value with society at large…
Maybe he should start a podcast. Seemed to have worked for the right.
Harris & 95% or more of the democratic party. Outlaw money from politics - lobbying, campaign finance, PACs, political foundations (i.e. Heritage), all of it.
The DNC is committed to insider trading, corruption and AIPAC. In no way do they represent the interests of the majority. They are rewarded handsomely to play reluctant enabler in the political theater.
I mean he is right
Tad late after sheepdogging the entire Democratic base to vote for her.
Durr nobody should advocate for harm reduction durrrrrrrrr
Is that what most of us have been doing?
Sure, exactly what Bernie was doing. So like, we agree then that Bernie was correct to endorse Harris even if she became kind of a shit sandwich along the way.
Unlike this guy, who I guess would rather have Bernie tell his supporters to vote for Trump? Not endorse? It’s unclear because their position is so mindless, which is why I replied what I did.
Name one mainstream party in the current day world that isn’t being influenced by billionaires or their country-specific equivalents (if the country has no billionaires for instance)
Greens in Australia do not take donations from corporations or property developers.
https://greens.org.au/campaigns/dirty-donations
They are the third largest party and hold balance of power in the Senate.
Some green parties considering all of their policies are conflicts of interests with billionaires?
They still heavily compromise, only targeting very specific sectors.
Besides, billionaires aren’t a monolith - they also have differing interests. Someone might have a heavy stake in solar power for instance and no stake in oil, in which case they’d support greens.
Well… duh
…. She would have been another bandaid. Just like Biden was. Out of everything that’s happening right now, why is this making the news?
This is the liberal media distraction from the Trump Epstein files. It gives us anything to read about that isn’t one of the 4 major dictators. Xi, Putin, Trump, or Netanyahu. Also allows the liberals to further balkanize into even smaller groups.
Now we’re just gonna bleed to death.
No doubt about it…
You mean when she changed her tune mid stride and went centrist?
Centrist? She campaigned with Cheney. That’s right wing.
She was at the center between fascism and conservatism.
She did that in 2020…
There was only a very very brief window she pretended to be slightly progressive, but it was an act everyone saw thru, and the dumbasses that were running the party till this year just threw her with Biden because they legitimately thought Black woman equals progressive vote.
Everyone held their noses for Biden because he was the only option, so they just tried to double down on it. It’s what happens when a party is corrupt, the people who rise to the top are the ones willing to do anything for donations, because that was the sole metric the old guard cared about.
If you could raise money for their shitty candidate, you got promoted. So we ended up with over a billion dollar campaign that was almost certainly a grift and a complete waste of money from state parties that handed trump the House.
Now, all that being said…
The voting members of the DNC did finally wake up and elected a chair who wouldn’t fight against the party’s own base. Martin ran Minnesota for a decade, made it solid blue, and home to some of our most progressive politicians and highschool football coach Tim Walz as governor.
If he’s a neoliberal bought off by billionaires and AIPAC, then he’s absolute dog shit at stopping progressives in primaries, and it’s completely illogical that he kept supporting them in the general.
We got an equal playing field for the first time since the 90s.
We just need to get people to show up in the primary. We can’t fucking waste this chance.
There were ~6 more progressive candidates and she did horribly. She saw the money on the other side and thought, “fuck it.”
Hopefully the playing field stays intact
NO DISTRACTIONS WHERE ARE THE TRUMP/EPSTEIN FILES‽‽
We don’t actually need the files to eject the occupant of the whitehouse from that residence. I mean, We The People are in charge. We just have to decide to do it.
You’re ADORABLE. Can I pinch your puffy red cheeks?
So, you’re saying we do need the files before we drag out the guillotines?
You don’t have the local lumber, the Chinese steel, or the skilled labor to build them in the first place, is what I’m saying.
Ya I don’t have the intention to reduce suffering and a shotgun costs $200.00. I’m thinking kind of an aim low disappearing act sort of gig.
Sure you do. Playstation brain.
What does any of that have to do with the fact that Trump fucked kids?
I would point out that you probably have access to a chainsaw and a tree, and a scrappable vehicle made primarily of steel. These are things that the typical 18th century French peasant didn’t have.
