Agreed on the diaper change one, but the first half is literally what you said with a timestamp. The nap one is important because if they did or didn’t nap, you can adjust what you do after
I would think that they dont stack a caregiver that hard with infants and full on running 2+ year olds. But I still would rather them just spend a few min talking to me then having to log shit.
A few minutes talking to you (and every other parent at pickup) is way, way, waaaaay more time than the 5 seconds it takes to log each thing. You say “just,” but your request is at least 10x as expensive.
you would think they would have all these other workers that can cover while you talk to the parent. Also I would assume that mgmt is out and about more to help at drop off and pickup.
So the same doesn’t apply for doing logging, which takes less time?
Also, stuff gets forgotten, with a log done right away, stuff isn’t forgotten. You think as you say one person can remember the issues of 30 different kids?
And over how many children? So 30 kids 5 seconds each (lets hope they just have to click a button and not add fucking notes to each one) so like 5 min an hour just logging shit they could spend with the parent when they pick them up. God forbid its a real winner of a day and every other child is just walking into walls and tripping all over the place. I am sure they need this dumb shit added to their workload.
30 times 5 seconds is 2.5 minutes, and that’s for a stupendously overworked person. Like “CPS call” levels of understaffing at what would be an unlicensed facility.
A more realistic number is under a minute per hour.
so like 5 min an hour just logging shit they could spend with the parent when they pick them up
Talking with parents takes far, far, far longer than logging something on your phone or a tablet. How is this idea not just a significantly worse time-sink?
That’s not even getting into the fact that things get forgotten throughout the day - you’re absolutely not getting a full report while they’re panicking and dealing with 20 other parents while also keeping the kids still there safe.
If they are panicking while the child is being picked up and dropped off that kind of environment might not be for them. Also the idea that you think that you interacting with the care giver/parent is a time sink is the reason why I think its dystopian, I would want them to be in full care giver mode at all times and not have to switch to logging corp slave for the few min an hour. I am sure that dumb shit is taxing on them and its just a thing for parents that will require it (god forbid those same parents actually spend any time with those people or look for other things in their childs environment that could help that need this kind of logging. ).
… there’s limits to how many children can be watched by a single caretaker, it’s like 7 in most jurisdictions. So while there’s 30 kids, there’s other caretakers who can watch, or their workload isn’t so bad that 30 seconds to log all kids is gonna be an issue,
You clearly have no experience with this, so why are speaking up?
Not even close to right, fed says it can be 10:1 no more then 16:1 sooo that is still minutes out of each hour. And that is if everything is running smooth and children are anything but smooth. And I am speaking up because again I think its dystopian, I would rather the person in charge of my child TALK TO ME, and we can learn what to expect and want from the relationship then them sitting on phones or tablets logging every last thing my child did.
And I must point out that your math is bad, 7x5 isnt 30. If you need precision in your childcare you should strive for it in yourself.
What federal limit are you referencing? Federally funded Early Head Start classes serving students under 36 months old must have two teachers with no more than 8 children (4:1 ratio). CFR 1302.21(b)(2). Kids in diapers will probably be under 36 months.
Most daycares don’t have that sort of volume of children for it to be an issue, I’d imagine. 30 kids isn’t a daycare, that’s like 3 kindergarten classrooms.
You either haven’t had kids or it’s been a reeeaaaally long time… We don’t support child care in the US, something like 80% of daycares are understaffed.
I just asked a few of my friends with kids in daycare. One said (valley cali) said the daycare had like 300 - 500 kids there. Then another (Tenn, outside of Nash) She said there was 70 there when she first started with them and its more now a year later. I dont think kindergardens have like 10 in them either. to be fair those daycares do have a lot of care givers but 10:1 seem like what they are seeing.
Agreed on the diaper change one, but the first half is literally what you said with a timestamp. The nap one is important because if they did or didn’t nap, you can adjust what you do after
Have you had kids? Did you attend any of their doctor appointments?
Knowing how often their diaper is changed is medical information the doctors will ask.
yeah but you are pulling their attention for that, logging that is time they are not dealing with children.
They’re spending that time doing diaper changes. They’re not attending to the other kids regardless.
I would think that they dont stack a caregiver that hard with infants and full on running 2+ year olds. But I still would rather them just spend a few min talking to me then having to log shit.
A few minutes talking to you (and every other parent at pickup) is way, way, waaaaay more time than the 5 seconds it takes to log each thing. You say “just,” but your request is at least 10x as expensive.
We’re just talking about doing a diaper change. I don’t know how you can call that “stacking a caregiver hard”.
…do you think they aren’t dealing with other children during pickups?
you would think they would have all these other workers that can cover while you talk to the parent. Also I would assume that mgmt is out and about more to help at drop off and pickup.
So, literally the exact same scenario as the logging, except it takes 10-100x as long?
So the same doesn’t apply for doing logging, which takes less time?
Also, stuff gets forgotten, with a log done right away, stuff isn’t forgotten. You think as you say one person can remember the issues of 30 different kids?
How long do you think it takes to log? That would take maybe 5 seconds max unless the ui is horrendous.
And over how many children? So 30 kids 5 seconds each (lets hope they just have to click a button and not add fucking notes to each one) so like 5 min an hour just logging shit they could spend with the parent when they pick them up. God forbid its a real winner of a day and every other child is just walking into walls and tripping all over the place. I am sure they need this dumb shit added to their workload.
30 times 5 seconds is 2.5 minutes, and that’s for a stupendously overworked person. Like “CPS call” levels of understaffing at what would be an unlicensed facility.
A more realistic number is under a minute per hour.
Talking with parents takes far, far, far longer than logging something on your phone or a tablet. How is this idea not just a significantly worse time-sink?
That’s not even getting into the fact that things get forgotten throughout the day - you’re absolutely not getting a full report while they’re panicking and dealing with 20 other parents while also keeping the kids still there safe.
If they are panicking while the child is being picked up and dropped off that kind of environment might not be for them. Also the idea that you think that you interacting with the care giver/parent is a time sink is the reason why I think its dystopian, I would want them to be in full care giver mode at all times and not have to switch to logging corp slave for the few min an hour. I am sure that dumb shit is taxing on them and its just a thing for parents that will require it (god forbid those same parents actually spend any time with those people or look for other things in their childs environment that could help that need this kind of logging. ).
Yeah, I hate to break this to you, but we are living through a dystopia. Nobody can afford childcare and all childcare is understaffed
… there’s limits to how many children can be watched by a single caretaker, it’s like 7 in most jurisdictions. So while there’s 30 kids, there’s other caretakers who can watch, or their workload isn’t so bad that 30 seconds to log all kids is gonna be an issue,
You clearly have no experience with this, so why are speaking up?
Not even close to right, fed says it can be 10:1 no more then 16:1 sooo that is still minutes out of each hour. And that is if everything is running smooth and children are anything but smooth. And I am speaking up because again I think its dystopian, I would rather the person in charge of my child TALK TO ME, and we can learn what to expect and want from the relationship then them sitting on phones or tablets logging every last thing my child did. And I must point out that your math is bad, 7x5 isnt 30. If you need precision in your childcare you should strive for it in yourself.
So you want the caretaker to spend 5-10 minutes chatting to you instead of spending a few seconds logging?
Who’s watching the other kids while the caretaker has all their attention on you during pickup?
Your suggestion takes more time and leaves less time to spend are taking other kids.
What federal limit are you referencing? Federally funded Early Head Start classes serving students under 36 months old must have two teachers with no more than 8 children (4:1 ratio). CFR 1302.21(b)(2). Kids in diapers will probably be under 36 months.
Many states have their own requirements.
that is the classes one, these are caregivers not teachers. I was referring to https://childcare.gov/consumer-education/regulated-child-care/supervision-ratios-and-group-sizes
Got it, thanks. Looks about the same, for what it’s worth: recommended ratio for children 13-35 months old is 4:1.
Most daycares don’t have that sort of volume of children for it to be an issue, I’d imagine. 30 kids isn’t a daycare, that’s like 3 kindergarten classrooms.
You either haven’t had kids or it’s been a reeeaaaally long time… We don’t support child care in the US, something like 80% of daycares are understaffed.
I just asked a few of my friends with kids in daycare. One said (valley cali) said the daycare had like 300 - 500 kids there. Then another (Tenn, outside of Nash) She said there was 70 there when she first started with them and its more now a year later. I dont think kindergardens have like 10 in them either. to be fair those daycares do have a lot of care givers but 10:1 seem like what they are seeing.
If that daycare has 50 employees, what’s the issue? The numbers don’t matter, it’s the amount of people under one caretaker that’s the issue.