• PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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    What you described, gradual change , is the literal definition of a conservative. So that means you’re a conservative.

    “Harm reduction is conservatism” is where we’re at.

    Fuck’s sake.

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      Stop using the term harm reduction. The crazies use that term to “subtly” push the “b b both sides same!” nonsense. Don’t fall for their framing.

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        Except harm reduction is a real and good thing. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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          Call it incrementalism then.

          This is not about “perfect behind the enemy of good” because I after with that. What this is about is the crazies will stop at nothing to say “b b both sides same!” and they use the term “harm reduction” to sneak that idea in. Anything good they will try to categorize as “it’s merely harm reduction, not actually good. And because it’s harm reduction, it’s harm light, it’s harm, and I will not vote for harm!”

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            Well that’s just fucking wrong. I’m not going to give up on the meaning of words just because crazy people have.

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              What part of that is wrong? It’s two people looking at the same thing and seeing different things. You see the term harm reduction and see it as good. They see the term harm reduction and see it as bad because [see my explanation above].

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                it’s merely harm reduction, not actually good.

                Reducing harm is good.

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                  Are you seriously going to ignore what I said? That’s basically twice.

                  I see it it as good. They see it as bad.

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                    “it’s merely harm reduction, not actually good.”

                    “Well, that’s just fucking wrong. I’m not going to give up on the meaning of words just because crazy people have.”

                    What part of that is wrong?

                    “it’s merely harm reduction, not actually good.”

                    Reducing harm is good.

                    I have been responding to exactly what you’ve said, and you think I’m ignoring what you said? Maybe you took “Well, that’s just fucking wrong” as my saying that your claim about what crazy people think was wrong. I could have been clearer about that.

                    My point stands. I don’t care what crazy people who are wrong think. And if some bystander is going to be swayed by an argument that harm reduction is bad, they’re crazy, too. There’s a lot of fucking crazies, and there’s nothing I can do about that.

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      That depends on the threshold for harm. But yeah, if you take the maximalist claim that any death or harm direct or indirect is unacceptable, you are basically arguing for no changes in society because we do not know the future and there is always uncertainty.

      Conservative doesn’t mean reactionary, it is what it means now just like liberal now is taken to mean progressive, but that is not the real definition of the word it’s simply how people have been using them as a sort of shorthand.