Refugees and activists tell the BBC intimidation tactics are tearing apart Uyghur communities overseas.
    • psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.de
      11·
      11 months ago

      Thanks for the source, definitely gonna read it later.

      when I researched I thought a couple of things were off curious what light the article shines on that

    • SpooneyOdin@lemmy.ml
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      11 months ago

      I don’t know man. The RCMP has recently charged one of their officers for allegedly putting pressure on people of Chinese origin. Now, I’ll admit this a pretty different situation than the “secret Chinese police stations” and, as far as I know, no charges been brought up in their cases or anything found during their investigations. However, China does appear to be putting pressure on its citizens from abroad using clandestine methods. Is the West likely doing much the same? shrug I haven’t heard about that myself but regardless this kind of practice shouldn’t be done by any country.

      Anyway I found this National Post article which has more details:

      https://nationalpost.com/news/b-c-man-places-chinese-police-station-sign-in-front-of-rcmp-detachment

      Anyway, I appreciate the source but I gotta say I don’t find it very credible. It starts going down a rabbit hole that this all part of some CIA backed psyop, but I don’t really believe that. These types of stories have been popping up around the world and I doubt the CIA has that kind of reach in some attempt to… what… make China look bad?

      • psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.de
        51·
        11 months ago

        These types of stories have been popping up around the world

        Can you specify? How many cases do you know? And in which countries? Otherwise its hard to guess if the CIA can fake it. But I’d say if it is up, say to a hundred then: Yes totally something the CIA could and would do.

        and I doubt the CIA has that kind of reach in some attempt to… what… make China look bad?

        To influence public opinion and manufacture consent for a wide range of political actions against the only threat to US hegemony in existence

        That is not even close to the “too ridiculous for the CIA to do” scale. They once produced Bin-Laden dolls whose face would scrape off to reveal a demon. It was called operation Devils Eyes.

        You have to imagine people sit there 8h a day to hatch schemes on how to best sway public opinions

        Some of the assasination attempts on Castro were also quite ridiculous.

        • SpooneyOdin@lemmy.ml
          2·
          11 months ago

          It’s in the article I referenced:

          “Last December, a report from NGO Safeguard Defenders said it had identified 102 Chinese police stations operating in 53 countries, including five in Canada.”

          To be fair, the article you posted claims that NGO is some kind of CIA backed organization. I don’t know if I really buy that, but I suppose it is possible. Antcedotally, I’ve heard other stories of China doing stuff like this (particularly when there were a lot of Hong Kong protests) but I’ll admit I don’t have much first hand evidence myself. It’s just, on a balance of probabilities, I’m much more likely to believe that an authoritarian regime like China is capable of doing it.

          Also that example about the “Devil Eyes” dolls is bit disengenious to bring up. Your own source states that they only ever built a few prototypes. Granted, it does say an anonymous Chinese source says hundreds were shipped to Pakistan, but again I don’t think we can really trust China’s take on this.

          The CIA has lots of looney plans (likely a product of Military-Industrial complex), but not many come to fruition becasue they are not practical.