• bluelander@lemmy.ml
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    Texan here: we barely get to vote on shit at all. And they’re gerrymandering to make it even harder.

    I’d call Texas a clown car but it’s too big to qualify.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    During the 1986-1992 California drought, we were informed in the San Francisco Bay Area region that water service prices were going to go up unless we conserved strictly.

    They said this to a bunch of California hippies, on account that we were in California.

    So we way got on board. We stopped flushing. Any water that was rendered non-potable we’d repurpose for watering plants or filter it for second use. Japanese naval baths (weird tiny bowl seats and a sponge, used in the Imperial Navy, WWII) got popular so people were keeping clean via a tenth of normal water usage.

    We conserved too much according to the water department and they raised prices anyway.

    This sparked some investigations (by journalists, since investigative journalism was still a thing then) and found that agriculture got water for much cheaper, and was still using it once before flushing it (now laced with pesticides) out into the sea. Needless to say, we conservationist hippies were livid.

    It’s still a problem, as the utility companies routinely lobby our congress and governor (and Newsom may know how to be a California liberal, but he’s still a Dianne-Feinstein-style ( / Nancy-Pelosi style) money-grubbing neoliberal. He just has game, especially when opposed to far right idiots. The setup in Monster’s Inc (power crisis in a city where scream is the principal power source) was inspired by the Enron fraud affair leading to rolling blackouts and Texas siphoning off California’s general fund. And our governments from Schwarzenegger (who I will never forgive) to Newsom are in the pocket of PG&E. (I’m on SMUD now and my bill is conspicuously less.)

    Also, according to Climate Town, the Sauds own a lot of California farmland, where they grow alfalfa to import to the mid-east to feed their cows. Alfalfa crops are one of the most water hungry, and is one of the big ways beef is driving the climate crisis (and towards a massive food shortage and global famine!) and the water tables, to which they have access and first-tap rights, gets lower every year. 🕙

    So I suspect that the Texas AI centers are getting water at a cheaper rate than private homes. Maybe it’s something to get active about.

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      So the people should build a giant warehouse that uses a bazillion gallons of water that feeds into the warehouse and in the same pipe back to the water system, get wholesale rates and charge consumers the cheaper rate!

      Same pipe, just make sure it goes into the warehouse so you can charge people for what leaves.

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      There’s only one obvious answer to that question in a capitalism world. Because it’s cheaper than other places. Why is it cheaper for the corporations in the driest places where common people need to stop using showers is also obvious.

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      Because that usually means it’s hot and sunny so things grow well if you can get water to it.

      It’s easier to get water places than make it warmer or sunnier in the optimal water place.

      Edit: sorry this was me thinking about the alfalfa sprout comment above. Makes zero fucking sense for IT.

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      I always rant about tech moving to Austin.

      They need low heat, reliable power, cheap / fast internet, and an abundance of water.

      Texas is literally none of those things.

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    Seems like the real problem is that companies aren’t being charged enough for their excessive water usage.

    It’s no surprise this is happening in the Land of Useful Idiots and Dipshits, texas.

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    I’m not joking when i say that not using ai is mostly improving my reasoning. Probably, each time I used it, i had to subconsciously offset some thinking to that brainless machine. I’m fine the way I am, i know it’s being propped up as some ultimate solution but my creative output improved too.

    We’re probably offsetting some thinking and memorisation to a computer with a complete lack of experience of the real world, and it’s somehow being presented as acceptable. I do n’t think it’s fine.

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    Stoopid Texans. You’ve got the guns, start using the things. If they need cooling, maybe aerate a few blocks of servers for them.

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      Now you got me wondering if we can shoot the heat away from AI datacenters. /s

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    I don’t understand why AI data centers would CONSUME water. Once they fill up their chiller loops, then… that’s it, right?

    It’s hard for me to imagine them relying on the temperature of the incoming water, and dumping all the warm water as discharge.

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      From what I’ve seen it’s “not worth the effort or expense” to reuse the water. Some of them literally just send tap water through the cooling loops and then into the sewer drains

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      They’re probably using cooling towers, which cool through evaporation. They should be using reclaimed though.

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        This is the right answer. They use evaporative cooling. Which does save a lot of power so they can claim to be “green”.

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          Hmm, I wonder if that plays into the wild and frequent thunderstorms in Texas now.

          Its got to be the data centers or global warming overall (and its shifting of the Jetstream’s).

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        As long as it is cheaper to buy water, then evaporate it, big firms will continue to do so.

        With a COP of around 15 and up it is difficult to argue with the economy of this.

        Local regulation would be required, but that would need politicians who don’t suck.

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      I worked 10 years at a data center, all that water is recycled - it is very carefully chemically balanced so as to not corrode the pipes and pumps, no they do not use it once and dump it out.

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      Because the massive stacks of high-powered chips that they use, tend to get very hot. They don’t use the kind of computers that work through passive cooling.

      I say, as my Laptop burns into my lap.

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    elon is currrently using the aquifer drinking water under memphis to cool grok. he’s also powering it with generators and smogging out the city.

    please do not use grok.

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    The priorities are completly screwd up. If they found a way to power the AI datacenters with humans, Matrix style, would they ask Texans to sacrifice their first borns to do so?