• themeatbridge@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Eh, it’s a me problem of oversharing, and I can appreciate that my perspective isn’t a universal perspective. How I’m perceived is as much my concern as my intention. I can’t control what other people feel, but I can appreciate their perspective and respect their feelings without taking it personally.

    If someone feels like I’m mansplaining, I want to know about it and try not to do that again. That’s not an indictment of gender relations in modern society, that’s just courtesy.

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        2 days ago

        That wasn’t my point at all. A lot you are good at jumping to conclusions based on not a lot of information instead of asking clarifying questions.

        I am saying gender roles are cooked for both men and women because they say a lot of shit that doesn’t make sense. Like the idea that men are always more logical and women are always better parents. Even the thing about colours and skirts don’t make sense. If anything skirts are better for male anatomy than trousers are. Gender norms and heteronormativity make no sense. They as concepts are cooked. It’s lead to lots of dumb laws and injustice on all sides.

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          2 days ago

          If you had just said gender norms are cooked, I would have responded differently. You narrowed this to gender in western society is cooked. There is no other society where there aren’t bullshit gender roles, and when gender is brought up in a west vs non-west context it is almost always done by people who conclude that gender is bad in the west, but not in other places where more “traditional” ideals about gender are still more highly enforced, like asia, russia, eastern europe, africa, etc.

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            2 days ago

            Sure there are many other societies where gender is also thoroughly and completely cooked to higher levels than it is in say UK, USA, or so on such as Saudi Arabia but it’s a very broad generalisation to say it’s cooked everywhere. There have been and are matriarchal societies even that have very different norms than we do. Not all societies are heteronormative either. I don’t know all the societies in the world. I am pushing it to even say all western societies are cooked.

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                2 days ago

                Hmm. I think there are some things where they are necessary for biological reasons. Like males having increased upper body strength, or females dealing with birth, period pains, etc where some things can only be done by one physical sex or one needs more understanding of certain things. Other than that though your pretty much spot on. Plus sex and gender aren’t exactly the same thing anyway as I am sure someone will point out.

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                  I mean those are on a person by person basis as well. I know women who are physically stronger than most of the men I know, and would be more fit for harder labor than most of them. Women who don’t have the ability to have children, or periods, etc. It is best we assess things based on individual capacity, or merit, or whatever, rather than write rules that are completely exclusive to an entire group of people based on broad statistics.

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                    1 day ago

                    No biological male can have periods or bear children. I think that’s fairly straight forward. Strength is a spectrum though I agree.