Rage 2022 in Cleveland.
RATM supported Sendero Luminoso.
Fuck RATM.
The Shining Path has been widely condemned for its excessive brutality, including violence deployed against peasants, trade union organizers, competing Marxist groups, elected officials and the general public.[2]
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The Shining Path’s retaliation to this was one of the worst attacks in the entire conflict, with a group of guerrilla members entering the town and going house by house, killing dozens of villagers, including babies, with guns, hatchets, and axes. This action has come to be known as the Lucanamarca massacre.[39] Additional massacres of civilians by the Shining Path would occur throughout the conflict.[26][40][41]
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American rock band Rage Against the Machine released a music video for their 1993 song “Bombtrack” as a response to the arrest of Abimael Guzman the previous year. The video expresses support for Guzman and the Shining Path, featuring various clips of the organization’s activities, as well as showing the band in a cage to mimic Guzman’s imprisonment.[145]
I preferred them when they weren’t so political.
/S obviously haha. I’m currently cutting a stencil that says “Nazi lives don’t matter” to make some shirts.
Save a life, punch a nazi
Why are all of their songs still relevant 30 years later?
Because nobody actually listened to and took seriously what they were saying 30 years ago.
Fun fact: After 9/11, various songs evoking 9/11, such as ‘Learning to Fly’ by Tom Petty, ‘Stairway to Heaven’ by Led Zeppelin, ‘It’s the End of the World as we Know it’ by REM … all banned from airing for about 120 days.
Oh.
And literally everything from Rage Against the Machine.
Other fun fact about this?
This censorship wasn’t done by the FCC.
It was done by ClearChannel, aka iHeartRadio, aka, the corporation that now owns or controls basically all terrestrial radio stations.
https://www.kerrang.com/here-are-the-164-songs-that-were-banned-from-american-radio-after-9-11
Warpigs is still banned by Clearchannel
Wow.
I did not know that.
Hooray for the enshittified cyberpunk dystopia.
Because humans are fucking stupid and history always repeats itself.
The problems are systemic and the humans in the system are incentivized to perpetuate the system.
Its not stupidity.
All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.
Until conservatives and authoritarians stop getting their way.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.
The problem with this quote is that everyone thinks they’re the strong men. In other words, it’s mostly useless rhetoric that doesn’t really identify the problem.
A few weak men are indeed making very hard times
Because the problems they raged about are systemic, and the system didn’t change.
It did change, though. It got significantly worse.
Because we never eliminate the root cause
It’s easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of capitalism.
Because those that work forces are still the ones that burn crosses
As suggested listening following RATM, may I suggest American Idiot by Green Day. You may find similar themes in that album.
Any other suggestions on how we can fight fascism by giving money to record companies?
Who said you have to buy anything? Are you new to the internet?
The band you are looking for is Fugazi. Totally pure in their resistance to destructive capitalism.
So what have they done besides sing a few songs so that people can think that they’re making a difference by listening to their iPods?
And no, I’m not going to listen to them. I’m boycotting American products wherever I can.
I have personally seen the guitarist knock a racist out with his guitar. So that’s something.
Not to mention the art they created certainly did more good than the average keyboard warrior trying to call music meaningless.
Man, screw RATM. They’ve sold out. They did a bunch of anti-Biden crap because of the Palestine shit. Look what that got them.
They also arguably lost Florida for Al Gore which caused him to lose the election.
More like Rage For The Machine.
Drove all the way to NYC to see them with Run the Jewels after the pandemic. 100% worth it, one of the best shows I’ve ever been to.
Tim Commorford is weird to watch though. He kinda hops awkwardly from foot to foot.
We cannot accurately judge your dedication until you tell us from where you drove to NYC. New Jersey and Anchorage have very different weights here.
It’s so disappointing to hear Killer Mike spit revolutionary lyrics like in ‘close your eyes’ only to find out IRL he’s into lame shit like black capitalism.
Yeah. The music still slaps though.
RATM’s bassist is into some weird fringe right-libertarian stuff too if I recall
Nobody’s perfect 🤷♂️
or they changed. 30 years is a long time.
their debut was released
- 3 years after the fall of Berlin wall
- a year after the dissolution of USSR
- 9 years before the September 11 attacks
- 15 years before iPhone
- 24 years before the election of a reality tv entertainer/real estate conman as POTUS
- China wasn’t a superpower back then
- EU didn’t exist in its current form
- Apartheid was still an actuality
- internet wasn’t omnipresent
only to find out IRL he’s into lame shit like black capitalism.
Does it mean something other than what is here, or did I miss something offensive in skimming through the entry?
This isn’t one of those lame “now they are the machine” posts is it?
Every life matters, and the reason we cannot make progress is because people who think they are ‘good’ are shunning and actively casting away people with less than desirable traits.
Nazis suck, racists suck, bigots suck, but they weren’t born that way. Their lived experience led them to the place they are in. How do you get them out? Practice what you are preaching: compassion.
Edit: this comment here explains my point better than my own https://ponder.cat/comment/1872062
No, you’re missing an entire level here. Racists suck, bigots suck but Nazis? Nazis round up people and gas them to death and then stack the bodies in the dirt like cord wood. It’s a different level.
Have compassion for Trump guys. He’s having a rough go of it lately.
Nowhere in my comment was Trump mentioned. I don’t like him either. The concept of hurt people hurt people still applies though
Every life matters
You started from a faulty assumption. Nazi lives don’t matter.
Did Abimael Guzman’s life matter?
I have to look him up on Wikipedia, so he doesn’t really matter to me. He’s not a Nazi though, so maybe?
Sorry it’s just the way it is with Nazis. The only good one is a dead one. Just accept it.
Guzman has the blood of Peruvian peasants on his hands.
Ok but we’re talking about Nazis, and the principle stands.
Hahahaha! No! Not with neo-nazis. Look with racists and bigots I’ll agree, try compassion first. I’ve done that and for most racists and bigots I’ve confronted it has worked. I didn’t change them to be a champion of minorities but usually I can convince someone to behave nicer. Neo-nazis on the other hand are not just regular racists and bigots who say terrible things but don’t actually do anything. Neo-nazis are the extreme and if they’re an adult regardless of their life experience they know what they’re saying is wrong. So no, I have no compassion and will never have compassion for an adult who is a neo-nazi. Period.
I’m glad to see that the strategy of compassion has worked for you in some cases. It’s a nuanced topic, but I firmly believe that if we want to be progressive & inclusive we need to adopt a mindset of ‘no man left behind’.
Again, it’s nuanced and it takes a lot of effort. Perhaps I am oversimplifying things too much, on the other hand, I think that we will not be better off by casting out anyone.
You have a big heart, and that’s a good thing. I could not disagree with you more. ‘No man left behind’ is a noble code to live to but I think that following it to an absolute sense defeats it’s purpose. ‘No man left behind’ to me means anybody on my team is never alone. The key is they have to be on my team and in this case everyone who isn’t a nazi is on my team. Neo-nazis have made real threats against people who I’m on the same team with and I would be leaving them behind if I didn’t oppose neo-nazis. If it comes to it, yeah Nazi lives don’t matter.
I’m not saying hunt them down and kill them. I’m saying take the ones who have actually done terrible things, put them in prison. Tell them to either grow up and change, or stay behind bars until they’re so insignificant that there’s no need to hold them anymore or until they die naturally. Holding neo-nazis accountable shouldn’t be controversial. If that requires taking their life I won’t shed any tears, but that is absolutely a last resort.
Thanks for your insight. I should have made clearer in my original comment that me saying that all lives matter does not equate to ‘Neo-nazi’s should walk free’. If the life of you or a person you care about is in immediate danger, then obviously that threat needs to be dealt with accordingly. We actually agree on pretty much everything.
I think for me the difference for now is in the recognition that while we as a civilization seem to be heading towards big trouble, most of us privileged enough to sit and type comments on an online discussion forum are not in actual immediate physical danger. It is therefore useless to me to think about crossing the line of taking lives, either for me or by me.
All I wish for is that when it is all said and done, we can all focus on improving lives, instead of ruining them. There is a lot of work that needs to be done before that though…
