You know how before the elections we say that it’s not the time to nitpick the Democratic Party because it’s more important to have it win so that the fascist won’t win?
Well, now we are not before elections, which means that now it is the time to nitpick the Democratic Party.
Hell yeah. Nitpick away. Push for actual left politicians. Go canvas for a candidate who better meets your ideals. Don’t forget to vote in primaries and local elections.
Also don’t forget that we need to actually make it to having elections for the next 4 years to even start trying to turn this ship around.
That’s what pisses me off about these tribalists coming out to parrot the post-defeat “it wasn’t our fault for not trying to be appealing, it was the fault of the plebes for not supporting us” DNC propaganda.
“Always blame the peasants, never the kings!”
It’s hilariously subservient and the avoidance of change inside the Democrat Party that this “let’s not criticize our leaders” aims to achive pretty much guarantees a similar result next time the Democrats face a Republican populist - Fascism - and that part is the very opposite of hilarious.
It’s also seriously hypocrite to cloak yourself in a “we want to protect trans people” cloak whilst fighting against the criticism of the Democrat Party that can change the very leaders whose choices and strategies resulted in the current situation where trans people are getting harmed: if they genuinelly wanted to protect trans people from harm, they would not spend their time trying divert criticism away from their holy cows.
I know, right? How many of the people shitting on everyone right of Emma Goldman and Mikhail Bakunin ever did any real community organizing, volunteering, or political canvassing? How many have actively worked to push the Democratic party farther left, rather than just shitposting online about how awful Dems are? Sure, we all want (well, a lot of the people here, I suspect) want socialist candidates that are smart and tough on the ballot. But are we doing to work at a local level to get there? This shit doesn’t happen overnight; you start work locally, work up to a state level, and then go national, once you’ve got that base of support.
And our nitpicking and low approval of the Democrats is now a key talking point for Republicans. I may be ignorant but I’m not seeing changes in leadership which is why the approval rating is low. We want something locked and loaded and with sure footing by the midterms so that, at minimum, messaging is on point. But so far they haven’t done anything to appeal to people and actually create a platform that energizes people. They need a leftist issue that makes people as irrationally angry as trans girls in high school sports does for MAGAts.
If that is a concern to you, maybe stop sticking to hardcore neoliberal imperialism and compromise with the left instead of constantly shifting right and alienating the left, then blaming them for not voting for your shit platform.
You think trump being president is good because you’re an accelerationist.
You don’t argue like trump, you’re far more coherent than he is, but you argue like he wants you to.
You spend lots of time and effort persuading left leaning people to do anything other than vote Democratic, doing exactly trump’s will.
They argue on the Dems behalf though and argue just like they’re supposed to. Someone who supports them is no better than those sitting at the top.
This is you arguing that PugJesus preferring the less genocide, less transphobia option means they’re just as bad as the democratic leadership, because they argue as the Democratic leadership would want them to, swerving my original point.
And you argue just like Trump wanted you to. Does that make you no better than him?
This is me pointing out that you argue just like the Republican Party leadership would want you to.
If you think I argue like Trump, you gott learn some reading comprehension.
This is you misquoting me, swerving my point about your hypocrisy. The irony is strong in this one.
I know your lib brain is too small to understand this,
This is you resorting to insulting me.
but there is more than being a n American liberal or an American conservative.
and this is you very much incorrectly diagnosing my political stance.
It’s ironic how you want to point out flaws in my argument, complain about being insulted as a lib while you’ve been doing exactly that before me.
You’re making huge assumptions. I don’t talk like right wingers want me to. Neither those in Washington, nor those in Moscow. I argue like a Marxist should. Stating the truth and arguing for what is best in the long term.
I don’t spend time trying to convince “leftists” to not vote for Democrats. I couldn’t give a rats ass about what dumbass Americans do. I do not care to argue with liberals about politics. That is like trying to talk algebra with a toddler.
Lastly regarding the brain-dead OP. He isn’t arguing for less genocide and oppression instead of more. He’s arguing for any amount of genocide and oppression instead of arguing for none. That is what democrats are. They don’t want the lesser evil to avoid the greater evil. They want evil for evils sake.
All I said is that I’m glad they’re suffering from their own stupidity now.
Outside the bubble of the US, Trump was overwhelmingly positive for the rest of the world. He meant a shrinking and slow isolation of the US empire, letting the rest of the world breathe a bit. Europe has to seriously consider becoming independent, at least until Trump is out again and China has been able to grow diplomatically and economically despite the trade war leading to a slightly more multipolar world. The decline of the US empire is a win for the world, it gives room for the possibility of change.
You know how before the elections we say that it’s not the time to nitpick the Democratic Party because it’s more important to have it win so that the fascist won’t win?
Well, now we are not before elections, which means that now it is the time to nitpick the Democratic Party.
Hell yeah. Nitpick away. Push for actual left politicians. Go canvas for a candidate who better meets your ideals. Don’t forget to vote in primaries and local elections.
Also don’t forget that we need to actually make it to having elections for the next 4 years to even start trying to turn this ship around.
That’s what pisses me off about these tribalists coming out to parrot the post-defeat “it wasn’t our fault for not trying to be appealing, it was the fault of the plebes for not supporting us” DNC propaganda.
“Always blame the peasants, never the kings!”
It’s hilariously subservient and the avoidance of change inside the Democrat Party that this “let’s not criticize our leaders” aims to achive pretty much guarantees a similar result next time the Democrats face a Republican populist - Fascism - and that part is the very opposite of hilarious.
It’s also seriously hypocrite to cloak yourself in a “we want to protect trans people” cloak whilst fighting against the criticism of the Democrat Party that can change the very leaders whose choices and strategies resulted in the current situation where trans people are getting harmed: if they genuinelly wanted to protect trans people from harm, they would not spend their time trying divert criticism away from their holy cows.
Nitpicking ain’t the same as doing the work to get a more progressive candidate through primaries of a major party & onto the ballot.
I know, right? How many of the people shitting on everyone right of Emma Goldman and Mikhail Bakunin ever did any real community organizing, volunteering, or political canvassing? How many have actively worked to push the Democratic party farther left, rather than just shitposting online about how awful Dems are? Sure, we all want (well, a lot of the people here, I suspect) want socialist candidates that are smart and tough on the ballot. But are we doing to work at a local level to get there? This shit doesn’t happen overnight; you start work locally, work up to a state level, and then go national, once you’ve got that base of support.
And you have shit libs still clabbering about how the 2024 General ended up.
Can we not pivot and look to the future? Are Democrats secretly wanting to Make Democrats Great Again, like they once were?
Ffs
Two different things, “nitpicking” and then, you know, voting (for Dems).
And our nitpicking and low approval of the Democrats is now a key talking point for Republicans. I may be ignorant but I’m not seeing changes in leadership which is why the approval rating is low. We want something locked and loaded and with sure footing by the midterms so that, at minimum, messaging is on point. But so far they haven’t done anything to appeal to people and actually create a platform that energizes people. They need a leftist issue that makes people as irrationally angry as trans girls in high school sports does for MAGAts.
What does that have to do with what I’m saying?
Where did I say “Don’t criticize the Dems!”
I’m saying “Next election that comes about, maybe don’t fucking purity politics us into literal Nazi death camps like you did this time, you twats”
If that is a concern to you, maybe stop sticking to hardcore neoliberal imperialism and compromise with the left instead of constantly shifting right and alienating the left, then blaming them for not voting for your shit platform.
I don’t think PugJesus is chair of the Democratic party, nor a senior politician in it. They have no more power than you or me.
They argue on the Dems behalf though and argue just like they’re supposed to. Someone who supports them is no better than those sitting at the top.
And you argue just like Trump wanted you to.
What of it?
Does that make you no better than him?
If you think I argue like Trump, you gott learn some reading comprehension.
I know your lib brain is too small to understand this, but there is more than being a n American liberal or an American conservative.
You think trump being president is good because you’re an accelerationist.
You don’t argue like trump, you’re far more coherent than he is, but you argue like he wants you to.
You spend lots of time and effort persuading left leaning people to do anything other than vote Democratic, doing exactly trump’s will.
This is you arguing that PugJesus preferring the less genocide, less transphobia option means they’re just as bad as the democratic leadership, because they argue as the Democratic leadership would want them to, swerving my original point.
This is me pointing out that you argue just like the Republican Party leadership would want you to.
This is you misquoting me, swerving my point about your hypocrisy. The irony is strong in this one.
This is you resorting to insulting me.
and this is you very much incorrectly diagnosing my political stance.
It’s ironic how you want to point out flaws in my argument, complain about being insulted as a lib while you’ve been doing exactly that before me.
You’re making huge assumptions. I don’t talk like right wingers want me to. Neither those in Washington, nor those in Moscow. I argue like a Marxist should. Stating the truth and arguing for what is best in the long term.
I don’t spend time trying to convince “leftists” to not vote for Democrats. I couldn’t give a rats ass about what dumbass Americans do. I do not care to argue with liberals about politics. That is like trying to talk algebra with a toddler.
Lastly regarding the brain-dead OP. He isn’t arguing for less genocide and oppression instead of more. He’s arguing for any amount of genocide and oppression instead of arguing for none. That is what democrats are. They don’t want the lesser evil to avoid the greater evil. They want evil for evils sake.
All I said is that I’m glad they’re suffering from their own stupidity now. Outside the bubble of the US, Trump was overwhelmingly positive for the rest of the world. He meant a shrinking and slow isolation of the US empire, letting the rest of the world breathe a bit. Europe has to seriously consider becoming independent, at least until Trump is out again and China has been able to grow diplomatically and economically despite the trade war leading to a slightly more multipolar world. The decline of the US empire is a win for the world, it gives room for the possibility of change.
I don’t think they’re addressing anything you said, but they are supporting the lefty part where we should be self critical. I would too.
also time to nitpick fundamentalist beliefs and deradicalize before the inevitable bullshit wedge issue campaigns in the run up to the next elections