I take comfort in knowing that, if I live a normal lifespan, Trump will die in my lifetime. Unfortunately, all the hatred and bigotry won’t die with him.
The cultural relief felt when thatcher died was palpable, and I wasn’t even alive when she was actively fucking the country.
He’s absolutely a figurehead. Dozens of people are lining up to be the face of a much bigger fascist coalition.
More a disfigurehead amiright?
Nobody else has the ability to be the cult leader that he is. But maybe they’ll be entrenched enough that they don’t need the cultists’ support any more.
Plus, hasn’t he pretty well decimated the GOP ranks? Any worthy competitor has been exiled or humiliated or both leaving the ranks filled with only sniveling sycophants and uncharismatic bigots.
The contest won’t be over who can imitate Trump the best. It’ll be who can use Trump as a martyr best. They all know Trump is the glue that holds their machine together.
I don’t think I can handle things getting much worse
I have theories about what may happen when Trump inevitably dies. 1. The best case scenario is Trump dies, and his whole empire just slowly fizzles out and goes away. 2. Trump dies, and then the true religion of Trump begins much in the same way as Jesus when he was crucified, and his supporters believed that he will rise from the grave, bringing about a new apocalypse and judgment for the non-believers. 3. Trump dies and a new vicious wave of domestic terrorism breaks out all over the country if not, the globe. 4. Trump dies and his supporters go full Jonestown and commit mass suicide. 5. Trump dies and his supporters believe that he will reincarnate much like the Dalai Lama bringing forth a new group of charlatans and snake oil salesman, believing that they are the reincarnation of Trump starting a new way of life and a new cult of Trump. 6. Trump dies and his supporters do not believe it in and reported sightings of him being alive will exist far after the fact much the same way as Elvis.
Well, there are conspiracy theories Hitler didn’t die and he fled to Argentina. Even if that were true I think he’d be dead by now
I’m hoping for 4 but realistically I think it’ll be 5 but with a twist. They’ll have to find and agree to 1 leader, and internal fighting and splitting of the cult will begin. Whether or not they’re able to pick a leader will depend on how long t has left to live - he hasn’t publicly declared who is next in line and there isn’t anyone else that’s anywhere close to leading maga. If he dies today maga will be fucked.
Yes definitely. And in my personal opinion 5 would be the most entertaining outcome.
I believe Trump is just the warm up. Full on religious hegemony is yet to come.
We are far less religious than any point in recorded history.
That was true for Iran in the 70s, too.
And yet the people in charge of the judiciary are more religiously motivated than they’ve been in nearly a century.
It doesn’t really matter if we as a society are less religious than ever if the people with their hands on the tiller are not. There’s a reason they are called reactionaries…
100% this is part of p25. The dismantling of the government now will allow this to come into fruition. They’ll continue to remove everyone who won’t align, citizen or not.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
People facing denaturalization get no free lawyer, meaning poor defendants often face the government alone. There’s no jury trial — just a judge deciding whether someone deserves to remain American. The burden of proof is lower — “clear and convincing evidence” instead of “beyond a reasonable doubt.” Most important, there’s no time limit, so the government can go back decades to build cases.
Exactly… don’t blame the billionaires, oligarchs, or the criminally corrupt political class… don’t blame the 70 million fascists, or the 100 million people who completely ignore politics… or the Democrats who fail to motivate all of them and maintain unwavering support for a genocidal ethnostate… or the 60 million neolib centrists who insist on supporting the lesser of two evils, and reject “radical change” after the 5th “once-in-a-lifetime” crisis in a decade.
Blame the phantom protest voters, without evidence, instead… THIS IS ALL THEIR FAULT.
The “protest voters” are basically “the jews” or “immigrants” scapegoat for liberals. At least you get to enjoy the smell of your own farts while the fascist coup proceeds unabated.
Oh… it’s all of the people you mentioned. That doesn’t excuse anyone who didn’t vote against this
Who said I’m blaming? I’m informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Honestly, that you feel/think blame is telling.
I’m not American, and I’ve advised people to vote blue no matter who for over 20 years, so as a foreigner watching America slide towards fascism for decades I can tell you, American liberals are just as much to blame for fascism as the uneducated morons brainwashed by it.
Both parties have been destroying the working classes economic mobility for almost 50 years. Just because 1 party is worse than the other that doesn’t absolve either of their sins.
Yet now, at the final hour, you blame a phantom left for not biting the pillow, as though that would’ve changed the multi-decade fall of the empire.
I tell ya what, though. Just cry harder and blame the left. It’s worked for fascism!
I’d say the big issue was being okay with the status quo for Democrats. A Republican administration would come in, set us back in several regards. Then the Democrats come back into power and shrug things off for a number of issues. For sure there were a number of problems they tried to fix and were focused on, but when the number of votes just aren’t there you gotta focus on the things you can fix. The main issue Democrats have allowed to simmer for some God forsaken reason and has made future problems was the No Child Left Behind policies, defunding of education, and not trying to bring back and expand the Fairness Doctrine to apply to all social media, including influencers.
I’m sure there are places on the Internet where you could sell that “ghost” story, but Lemmy during the runup to the election was like 45%+ people arguing for protest votes and vote abstaining as a means of “punishing” Democrats for a millenia-old religious feud on the other side of the world. Obviously this isn’t physical, definitive proof that protest voters and abstainers actually moved the electoral needle for Trump, I’m just letting you know why no one’s really buying it here.
Lol you’re still on the blame strawman. Again, I am informing protest- non-voters what they voted for. That you keep trying to strawman this hard even after being corrected is funny. Ciao.
Feeling a little defensive, are we?
Oh sweet summer child. The Russians did a decade of recon on the US election system before this play. Of all the elections to bitch about voters this is not the one. And people rang the alarms, DEFCON’s voting village didn’t exist until recently.
Wat.
I attended defcons voting village in 2017. That’s not recent.
Yes I believe that was the first year. Do you remember why they added it?
Defcon 25 appears to be the first year of the voting village.
That said the late 2000s were full of discussion on voting machine security prior to the addition of the voting village. This was all old news by the time voting village was added.
This documentary explains where security was in 2006
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808532/
I haven’t watched this in a very long time but the hackers managed to procure source code from a public sever run by the company making the machines (Diebold I think) and faced some legal issues as a result.
They also illustrated a proof of concept attack where a counting machine was made to miscount votes to favor one person over another.
For people not in the know its very important to know that it is ILLEGAL for an independent 3rd party to perform penetration tests on voting machines without the manufacturer’s consent and the code that runs these machines is not public in any way that would allow for a proper audit of the systems to ensure that even the manufacturer has not tampered with the machine.
Who’s bitching? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
If they’re here they already know and you probably need to be rallying them.
I’m telling them to vote. This is inane, ciao.
For most of American history, taking away citizenship has been rare. But it increased dramatically during the 1940s and 1950s during the Red Scare period characterized by intense suspicion of communism. The United States government targeted people it thought were communists or Nazi supporters. Between 1907 and 1967, over 22,000 Americans lost their citizenship this way.
This is why it’s not good enough to simply stop doing horrible shit…
We need to change the laws to prevent future admins from abusing them
Easiest way here is make losing citizenship a criminal charge, with the whole ‘appointed lawyer’ and ‘burden of proof’ that designation includes. That’s one thing a Dem “Project 2029” should include.
Stop acting like laws can fix fascism. Half of everything Trump, the GOP, and every lobbyists, have ever done is criminal and breaking dozens of existing laws. Laws only matter if they’re enforced, otherwise they are chains utilized by fascists to delay an appropriate counter-response.
The only thing that will fix fascism are general strikes large enough to damage the economy and make the capitalist/political class shit they’re pants, or violence. None of these psychopaths are going down without a fight.
And when this all done and over with, if anyone is still alive we will need to burn the Constitution, bill of right, and everything else. We need an entirely new government. Not some Capitalist monster either. We need to rapidly evolve if we’re going to survive.
Should, yes. Along with packing the court, expanding the House, instituting term limits, instituting nationwide ranked choice voting, eliminating ICE, and closing as many loopholes in executive power as they possibly can over the course of four years.
Of course, given the current DNC leadership’s track record, Project 2029 is probably just an index card with “rename ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ to ‘the Andrew M. Cuomo Federal Immigration Detention Facility’” and “Can We Officially Scowl At Donald Trump on the record?” right now. We need to primary everyone, at all levels, who doesn’t have an actionable plan and the will to carry it out.
I wasn’t aware that “denaturalizing” was an actual thing. Is this something with legal precedent, or just something Stephen Miller has made up.
Basically, can you afford a court case against the U.S. Government to prove you never made a mistake on paperwork, or someone translating for you didn’t make a mistake. Was anything missing from your report you gave 20 years ago when you didn’t speak English and they said include the following?
The thing that blows me away is why… It’s just money being blown from our taxes, to deport people who pay taxes… In a time period they claim we need higher birth numbers because capitalism demands growth and population growth makes that easier to support the social programs we have left
It’s all about power over people, so they can enrich themselves. They want slaves.
They want to deport brown people. To them that’s worth the cost.
There is legal precedent, but since 1968 it’s generally only been used on war criminals who lied to gain citizenship. They’re going to start expanding what they consider to be “fraud” to include things like spelling mistakes and clerical errors, which is total bullshit. More details are in the article.
The article states
The government can only do this in specific situations. It must prove someone “illegally procured” citizenship by not meeting the requirements, or that they lied or hid important facts during the citizenship process.
So, basically, it all goes back to that person’s naturalization process, and the notion that there was something wrong with it. But for this administration, “hiding important facts” might mean “didn’t tell us this tiny detail”, or “didn’t tell us they intended to vote for Liberals”…
I wouldn’t put it past them to doctor old documents even. If ICE agents are willing to call livestreaming a “violent act” then they can self-justify fudging a document to deport another “invader”.
The part which seems under reported is that for a long time USCIS basically had an amnesty policy for expired visas while the next one was pending. I’d wager a very large percentage of people in the US who went from student/work visa to marriage residency technically overstayed their visa while the paperwork was being processed. There is no law which allows or otherwise protects this “paperwork amnesty,” even though it has been long standing administrative policy. This administration could therefore go after anyone who was naturalized in this way. And for no reason other than they think this is red meat for their base who just really hates all immigrants for some reason.
I hate this thumbnail and smug shit eating smile. He definitely sun downing in that picture.
