• FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
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    I take comfort in knowing that, if I live a normal lifespan, Trump will die in my lifetime. Unfortunately, all the hatred and bigotry won’t die with him.

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    This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.

    People facing denaturalization get no free lawyer, meaning poor defendants often face the government alone. There’s no jury trial — just a judge deciding whether someone deserves to remain American. The burden of proof is lower — “clear and convincing evidence” instead of “beyond a reasonable doubt.” Most important, there’s no time limit, so the government can go back decades to build cases.

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      Oh sweet summer child. The Russians did a decade of recon on the US election system before this play. Of all the elections to bitch about voters this is not the one. And people rang the alarms, DEFCON’s voting village didn’t exist until recently.

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      Exactly… don’t blame the billionaires, oligarchs, or the criminally corrupt political class… don’t blame the 70 million fascists, or the 100 million people who completely ignore politics… or the Democrats who fail to motivate all of them and maintain unwavering support for a genocidal ethnostate… or the 60 million neolib centrists who insist on supporting the lesser of two evils, and reject “radical change” after the 5th “once-in-a-lifetime” crisis in a decade.

      Blame the phantom protest voters, without evidence, instead… THIS IS ALL THEIR FAULT.

      The “protest voters” are basically “the jews” or “immigrants” scapegoat for liberals. At least you get to enjoy the smell of your own farts while the fascist coup proceeds unabated.

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        Who said I’m blaming? I’m informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Honestly, that you feel/think blame is telling.

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          I’m not American, and I’ve advised people to vote blue no matter who for over 20 years, so as a foreigner watching America slide towards fascism for decades I can tell you, American liberals are just as much to blame for fascism as the uneducated morons brainwashed by it.

          Both parties have been destroying the working classes economic mobility for almost 50 years. Just because 1 party is worse than the other that doesn’t absolve either of their sins.

          Yet now, at the final hour, you blame a phantom left for not biting the pillow, as though that would’ve changed the multi-decade fall of the empire.

          I tell ya what, though. Just cry harder and blame the left. It’s worked for fascism!

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            I’m sure there are places on the Internet where you could sell that “ghost” story, but Lemmy during the runup to the election was like 45%+ people arguing for protest votes and vote abstaining as a means of “punishing” Democrats for a millenia-old religious feud on the other side of the world. Obviously this isn’t physical, definitive proof that protest voters and abstainers actually moved the electoral needle for Trump, I’m just letting you know why no one’s really buying it here.

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            Lol you’re still on the blame strawman. Again, I am informing protest- non-voters what they voted for. That you keep trying to strawman this hard even after being corrected is funny. Ciao.

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        Oh… it’s all of the people you mentioned. That doesn’t excuse anyone who didn’t vote against this

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    I wasn’t aware that “denaturalizing” was an actual thing. Is this something with legal precedent, or just something Stephen Miller has made up.

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      Basically, can you afford a court case against the U.S. Government to prove you never made a mistake on paperwork, or someone translating for you didn’t make a mistake. Was anything missing from your report you gave 20 years ago when you didn’t speak English and they said include the following?

      The thing that blows me away is why… It’s just money being blown from our taxes, to deport people who pay taxes… In a time period they claim we need higher birth numbers because capitalism demands growth and population growth makes that easier to support the social programs we have left

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      There is legal precedent, but since 1968 it’s generally only been used on war criminals who lied to gain citizenship. They’re going to start expanding what they consider to be “fraud” to include things like spelling mistakes and clerical errors, which is total bullshit. More details are in the article.

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      The article states

      The government can only do this in specific situations. It must prove someone “illegally procured” citizenship by not meeting the requirements, or that they lied or hid important facts during the citizenship process.

      So, basically, it all goes back to that person’s naturalization process, and the notion that there was something wrong with it. But for this administration, “hiding important facts” might mean “didn’t tell us this tiny detail”, or “didn’t tell us they intended to vote for Liberals”…

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    For most of American history, taking away citizenship has been rare. But it increased dramatically during the 1940s and 1950s during the Red Scare period characterized by intense suspicion of communism. The United States government targeted people it thought were communists or Nazi supporters. Between 1907 and 1967, over 22,000 Americans lost their citizenship this way.

    This is why it’s not good enough to simply stop doing horrible shit…

    We need to change the laws to prevent future admins from abusing them

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      Easiest way here is make losing citizenship a criminal charge, with the whole ‘appointed lawyer’ and ‘burden of proof’ that designation includes. That’s one thing a Dem “Project 2029” should include.

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        Stop acting like laws can fix fascism. Half of everything Trump, the GOP, and every lobbyists, have ever done is criminal and breaking dozens of existing laws. Laws only matter if they’re enforced, otherwise they are chains utilized by fascists to delay an appropriate counter-response.

        The only thing that will fix fascism are general strikes large enough to damage the economy and make the capitalist/political class shit they’re pants, or violence. None of these psychopaths are going down without a fight.

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          And when this all done and over with, if anyone is still alive we will need to burn the Constitution, bill of right, and everything else. We need an entirely new government. Not some Capitalist monster either. We need to rapidly evolve if we’re going to survive.

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        Should, yes. Along with packing the court, expanding the House, instituting term limits, instituting nationwide ranked choice voting, eliminating ICE, and closing as many loopholes in executive power as they possibly can over the course of four years.

        Of course, given the current DNC leadership’s track record, Project 2029 is probably just an index card with “rename ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ to ‘the Andrew M. Cuomo Federal Immigration Detention Facility’” and “Can We Officially Scowl At Donald Trump on the record?” right now. We need to primary everyone, at all levels, who doesn’t have an actionable plan and the will to carry it out.