• Lojcs@piefed.socialEnglish
    564·
    7 hours ago

    Couldn’t they frame this without the angry bearded Arab vs smiling white woman?

    • Sarmyth@lemmy.worldEnglish
      144·
      7 hours ago

      He doesn’t really look angry to me. And he does have a beard and is Arab so those seem like things that will be in every picture of him.

      I’m sure hos photo is from the wanted list and hers is from her bio somewhere, but the juxtaposition just serves to magnify the point.

      • Lojcs@piefed.socialEnglish
        163·
        6 hours ago

        This is not an image that just comes up if you search him. Oop chose to have this image instead of him in a suit with a kept beard.

        Edit: also amplify which fucking point, that people with messy facial hair in headscarves are terrorists?

        Edit 2: look at my bias with the messy part, sub in ‘longer’

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 hour ago

        I mean, that guy is a real literal terrorist. Who was he doing terrorism on behalf of? Please don’t probe that too deeply.

        Just, you know… keep this in mind.

      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.worldEnglish
        133·
        6 hours ago

        But the message is that we should be stereotyping the guy on the left because he’s more dangerous, and not the lady on the right.

        And that’s wrong.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          1 hour ago

          we should be stereotyping the guy on the left because he’s more dangerous

          He is more dangerous, if you’re a Christian, Alawite, Shia or Druze. Just not if you’re an Israeli.

          • Lojcs@piefed.socialEnglish
            22·
            5 hours ago

            I feel like we are having a conversation so I won’t just ignore, but I don’t understand at all what you mean by this.

                • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
                  6·
                  3 hours ago

                  This is a perfect example of how the empire disguises spies, commits terrorist acts with them, launches a racist propaganda campaign against a people using their spy as example, and then it turns out to be their own guy.

                  This is not a stereotype. It’s literally the guy.

  • MetalMachine@feddit.nlEnglish
    19·
    8 hours ago

    Sanctioning albanese is an abomination.

    it’s not true to say al jolani was the founder of al qaeda. He was a part of jabhat al nusra which was affiliated with al qaeda. They split over disagreements and actually wiped al qaeda from Syria.

    Whether he’s actually a terrorist is hard to say because the US designates any group it doesnt like as that.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      1 hour ago

      They split over disagreements

      “Listen, are we proxies of the CIA or not, guys?”

      Whether he’s actually a terrorist is hard to say

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_al-Sharaa#War_crimes_of_al-Nusra_(2012–2016)

      Under al-Shara’a’s leadership, al-Nusra Front and Jabhat Fateh al-Sham perpetrated a series of war crimes, suicide bombings, forced conversions, ethnic cleansing and sectarian massacres against Syria’s Christian, Alawite, Shia and Druze minorities. These included the January 2012 al-Midan bombing, which killed 26 people and wounded 63.

      🤔

    • merc@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      1 hour ago

      Also, sometimes “terrorists” give up their armed struggle. That’s something that should be encouraged. If you go with the idea of “once a terrorist, always a terrorist” then there’s no incentive for so-called “terrorists” to ever change their ways.

      And, from a more practical matter, he’s in charge of Syria now. If the international community wants Syrians to be free, happy and healthy they have to try to work with him. If they cut off all aid to Syria and refuse to work with him, then the only people who will work with him are all the various bad actors of the region. They shouldn’t necessarily fully trust him, but they should give him an opportunity to show he has the best interests of the Syrian people at heart.

    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      31·
      4 hours ago

      Calling Iranians occupiers. This level of projection can only come from one type of people.

      Not going to bother to respond to the rest of the falsehood in your comment.

      • bzz@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        1 hour ago

        I am Iranian and the IRGC are terrorist occupiers. Educate yourself on how violent the regime is against their own people https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_executions_in_Iran and the recent women life freedom protests in Iran https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman,_Life,_Freedom that led the IRGC to hang nearly 1500 people.

        The tweet author in the OP is a mouthpiece for the regime

        Additionally I was not saying the author is wrong in this instance, a broken clock is right twice a day, however giving the author publicity is what I take issue with.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          59 minutes ago

          Educate yourself on how violent the regime is

          Calmly explaining how the Apache and Comanche tribes colonized the Mountain West until it was liberated by the anti-imperialist insurgency of General William Tecumseh Sherman

          The tweet author in the OP is a mouthpiece for the regime

          Thanks, for the catch, bro. Around here, we only believe news from sources we can trust, like Voice of America and The Times of Israel.

          Additionally I was not saying the author is wrong

          🧐

          • bzz@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            51 minutes ago

            You can be anti Israel and anti Islamic Republic you know. nuance

            • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
              31·
              40 minutes ago

              Sure. You can be a full on misanthrope. Just insist you hate everyone and pray for their collective grisly annihilation.

              That appears to be the beating heart of the modern MAGA movement.

  • ipitco@lemmybefree.netEnglish
    5·
    7 hours ago

    that kind of post always seem to me like “let me cherry-pick my context to complain about something without providing the real full context”

  • Mrkawfee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    212·
    12 hours ago

    ISIS are the good guys now.

    We have always been at war with the UN Special Rapporteur.

    War is Peace.

  • hitmyspot@aussie.zoneEnglish
    2812·
    13 hours ago

    Wow, let’s top discrimination by being racist.

    Both can be good or bad independent of their outward appearance.

    • underscores@lemmy.zipEnglish
      1·
      5 hours ago

      This meme is what the average American discourse is like

      It’s likesomething that could be satirized in Always Sunny In Philadelphia

    • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      6·
      8 hours ago

      Yeah the way that it’s positioned, as though through image alone she is self evidently less dangerous than he is, is definitely islamophobic & racist.

    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      182·
      13 hours ago

      He’s projecting the same orientalism back at the empire to illustrate a point. It was never about wearing a beard. Or even about joining ISIS.

      It was about not being a politically advantageous ally to the US empire.

      • hitmyspot@aussie.zoneEnglish
        916·
        13 hours ago

        There are better ways to make a point. The implication is that he is worse because is Muslim.

        • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
          61·
          11 hours ago

          The implication is that all the nonsense people have been fed about people being labelled terrorists because they are Muslim or wear a beard was a massive sham. And that the actual ISIS terrorists, not the targets of Islamophobic smears, are getting off the terror list for obeying America and Israel.

          • Lojcs@piefed.socialEnglish
            2·
            7 hours ago

            You’re saying all oop wanted to do by picking an old photo where the man they label as a terrorist wears stereotypically terrorist clothes was to imply that looks don’t determine who you are?

              • Lojcs@piefed.socialEnglish
                2·
                6 hours ago

                I don’t. I did assume oop was a white guy and it seems I was wrong, but regardless of who posted you don’t break down stereotypes by reinforcing them. If he’s not being racist for the sake of it, then either he’s being casually racist because it helps his point or he didn’t double check if his genious takedown on stereotypes actually reinforces them.

          • hitmyspot@aussie.zoneEnglish
            77·
            10 hours ago

            Oh, I understand the point they are trying to make. They are just using racism to make it. If you asse everyone is racist toake your point, you’re promoting racism.

    • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      11·
      6 hours ago

      I don’t know: it’s inherently ambiguous. How do you know which is the man & which is the woman? Maybe they’re the same person.

      Are you possibly misgendering & being racist? 🤨

      (I thought the message had more to do with the words than the images.)

  • McDropout@lemmy.worldEnglish
    61·
    10 hours ago

    I mean ISIS and Al Qaeda didn’t attack Israel once. I wonder who funds them. :-)

  • Worx@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
    4020·
    14 hours ago

    And why are the pictures relevant? Because Middle Eastern men are terrorists by default, and attractive women are pure of heart?

    • Mrkawfee@lemmy.worldEnglish
      276·
      12 hours ago

      Jolani is literally an Al Qaeda commander who is now the dictator, sorry, President of Syria. His thugs are massacring Christians, Druze and Alawites in the same way as his ISIS brothers were doing.

      But he is now the darling of the West because he isn’t pro Palestinian and kisses Trumps ring.

      • MetalMachine@feddit.nlEnglish
        7·
        7 hours ago

        What your saying isn’t true.

        1. He was an al qaeda affiliate, he later wiped al qaeda from Syria with his group.

        2. There hasn’t been a massacre of Christians as you espouse. There was some aggressive incidents caused by a few but Jolani has been deploying his army to safe guard Christians and their church’s.

        3. There was 1 incident of an alawaite massacre after which he sent troops to calm things down. And promised to take those to account, we will see if he fulfills this promise.

        Other fights with alwaites are with old regime hold outs.

        No, he has not been going around massacring people ISIS as you espouse.

        1. Remains to be seen if he will be pro palestine or not. Israel seems to have been on edge since he’s taken power.

        The truth is, it is too early to tell what type Jolani will be.

        • Mrkawfee@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          7 hours ago

          He was literally Al Qaeda in Syria. He founded and led Al Nusra front which pledged loyalty to Ayman Zawahiri. He split from Daesh and continued to align with Al Qaeda.

          He is a Sunni fundamentalist and there have been repeated accounts if Alawites, Druze and Christians being massacred. This is being whitewashed as counter insurgency by Western propaganda.

          According to the media he is about to sell out the Golan to Israel so it’s clear he’s a vassal to the US Empire.

      • Lojcs@piefed.socialEnglish
        2·
        7 hours ago

        Excuse my ignorance but last I heard they were explicitly not massacarring anyone or taking a strong stance in any way as to not get deposed before they were internally stable? And is the dictator part a jab at coming to power with a coup or is there something else?