• Frenchfryenjoyer (she/her)@lemmings.world
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    1 day ago

    Sealioning (source) + whataboutism. A very cheap method of trolling and exhausting the opponent of the argument which relies on the victim being unaware of sealioning and they’re being sealioned. It’s frustrating seeing JP fans think this is proof he’s a genius. it’s like Ben Shapiro, another rightwing “influencer” who constantly speaks fast and gish gallops on purpose and his fans think he’s a genius for that too

      • Frenchfryenjoyer (she/her)@lemmings.world
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        21 hours ago

        That, too. For people who don’t know what that is (source)

        The motte-and-bailey fallacy (named after the motte-and-bailey castle) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy where an arguer conflates two positions that share similarities: one modest and easy to defend (the “motte”) and one much more controversial and harder to defend (the “bailey”).[1] The arguer advances the controversial position, but when challenged, insists that only the more modest position is being advanced.[2][3] Upon retreating to the motte, the arguer may claim that the bailey has not been refuted (because the critic refused to attack the motte)[1] or that the critic is unreasonable (by equating an attack on the bailey with an attack on the motte).[4]

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          20 hours ago

          Thanks for teaching me something new!

          Also your username is very apt for this thread.