• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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    Sanders’ EOs with a conservative Supreme Court would have been unilaterally nullified.

    If they’d run Sanders, they’ve had ended up with a Democratic supermajority. SCOTUS would have been largely irrelevant.

    But it doesn’t change facts. The powers of the presidency in the hands of an actual reformer, not a performative one like Biden or Obama, would have entailed true, fundamental change.

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      If they’d run Sanders, they’ve had ended up with a Democratic supermajority.

      Least delusional Sanders revisionist take.

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        I love hearing from centrists, who’ve shat the bed every election for over a decade. Without COVID we’d currently be in the third Trump term, all because of you folks.

        You see AOC and Bernie filling football stadiums in red states and you think: “We should totally nominate Harris again”. Here in Missouri voters approved a $15 minimum wage, required paid sick leave, and legal abortion, but sure, just keep running centrist candidates. That’s totally gonna work.

        I wish you all would fight fascism with an iota of the fervor with which you fight the Mamdanis of the world.

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          A guy on the internet thinking something doesn’t elect the candidate… votes in primaries do. And they have consistently chosen centrists.

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          $15 minimum wage, required paid sick leave, and legal abortion,

          The fact this isn’t a centrist position shows how cooked the US is.

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            I think the big issue with centrists is they pay absolutely no attention to what’s really happening, but wear the term “centrist” like a badge of honor.

            So on one end we have Nazis, and the other end we have Democrats who are mostly Center-Right, and then the centrists try to find the middle of that but not having any idea if what that means.

            And then we keep getting the enshitification of the U.S.

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            The centrist position is pro-starvation and pro-theft of labor wrapped in a rainbow flag. (and a bloody one at that, considering how pro-war they are too.)

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            Yeah, $15 is so put of date. They were pushing for 15 BACK IN 2008, the last time it moved, before housing prices doubled/tripled. 15 would be trash pay, but it’s still TOO MUCH for corporate owned Democrats to even pretend to support

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          Leftists consistently lose elections.

          Voters have consistently shown they don’t want to elect leftists.

          Centrists have won the majority of elections since the 90s.

          AOC and Bernie would lose worse than Harris in a national election. Just like all leftists have.

          When voters have chosen the option furthest to the right it is stupid to think that running a candidate further left would do anything but lose.

          • Centrists lost to Trump, the objectively worst candidate for president.

            Sanders received a loud applause from a Fox News town hall. I’m not so sure he’d have lost.

            When voters have chosen the option furthest to the right it is stupid to think that running a candidate further left would do anything but lose.

            Trying to do right-wing policy “better” than the right-wing candidate has consistently lost elections to far-right candidates. All it does is validate the far-right candidate’s positions, and they’ll always be considered “stronger” on those positions

            People primarily vote for change, and that’s exactly what the centrists haven’t been able to offer. It’s why Biden lost, it’s why Harris lost, it’s why Clinton lost.

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            Democrats had to rig not one, but two primaries against Bernard Sanders, and not only did they not deny it, they argued in court that it was their right to do so.

            No one fails harder than centrists. They are objectively, evidently pathetic. If COVID hadn’t occurred we’d be in the third Trump presidency, and you’d still be sitting here like a good bootlicker telling me I didn’t vote hard enough for centrists and ignoring that AOC and Bernard Sanders are filling football stadiums in red states.

            I repeat: I wish you all fought as hard against fascism as you do for the billionaire class.

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              AOC and Bernie stopped in my red state. I went and saw more than half the license plates were from out of state. Those that were from my state were from the one blue county.

              We recently had an election between an establishment Republican and a progressive and the progressive lost by a landslide.

              Don’t lie to yourself. AOC and Bernie have fans that will travel to see them from other states.

              Democrats are trying to stop progressives from throwing the election like they have every time they win a primary.

              Progressives can’t even beat other candidates that get funded by AIPAC let alone beat republicans.