The USA is a one party state, except with typical American extravagance, they have
twothree of themuniparty its more or less a coalition of the oldguard and the old dnc, and maybe maga on some issues.
American politicians form third right-wing party.
American politicians form third reich
right-wing party.
But mom says we already have conservative party at home
Even if some unholy combo of the right and the slightly less right us what we wanted, this is literally just plotting for the spoiler effect
Call it “MAGA? Nope!”
“The Republican Party, as many of us know it, no longer exists,” said one source, who asked not to be named. “We do not recognize ourselves anymore in Trump’s administration. There is a strong movement out there in the party to reclaim the values we were raised on and reclaim the middle ground.”
Translation: “Omg can you believe this leopard is eating my face? Now that I’m personally affected by my own stupidity I want to be friends with Democrats!”
This is a good thing. Don’t mock people for realizing their party has abandoned them and acting accordingly.
Better late than never, but we need to support this ideal.
Workers need to, not the politicians that made this happen.
Nah fuck that. They did this. This isnt Trump vs Everybody. The camps are already up. they dont get come back feigning ignorance without even apologizing. They just want a pre 2015 status quo.
and reclaim the middle ground.”
Bullshit it’s good, it’s a farce to make the “middle” somewhere between the right wing Democrats and the ultra right wing unhinged fascists of the Republicans.
None of them are going “Damn we shoulda listened to Sanders.”
They’ve learned fuck-all.
Think of it as creating a new non-MAGA Republican Party, including a few right wing Democrats.
Democrat party continues as before, minus a handful of Jim Manchins
And Fettermans and Sinemas.
Ultimately, it would draw more disgruntled Republicans who don’t like the MAGA takeover of their party, than Democrats.
Yup.
o asked not to be named. “We do not recognize ourselves anymore in Trump’s administration. There is a strong movement out there in the party to reclaim the values we were raised on and reclaim the middle ground.”
Translation: “Omg can you believe this leopard is eating my face? Now that I’m perso
But getting fucked by 51-49 votes is I think much more difficult to solve than getting fucked by 65-35 votes. When there’s 1-2 votes diff, people don’t know why they’re fucked and what needs to be done to stop it. When it’s 65-35, it’s much more obvious what is to be done and what campaigns have to do to organize voters.
I dunno man, that still feels like they’re saying they basically agree with like 80% of what Republicans want to do in terms of giving tax breaks to the rich and cutting benefits for the poor. It seems like the bridge too far for them has been the actual fascism and tossing out the rule of law. Which is nice, but it means that this other new party will still be enabling some of the worst aspects of the Republicans if they indeed got a split like you are theorizing. That means that 65-35 split will be solidly on the side of “fuck the little guy” even if they won’t outright support fascism.
100%. And I think such a status quo would be much more easy to organize voters against. Picture AOC talking to a crowd and saying how the oligarchs have 2/3 of politicians in the form of those two parties and we need to close the gap by electing more of ours - 15-20 more. Now it’s like - the oligarchs are buying politicians. OK, which ones? OK, what do we do, run independents or primary them within the Democratic party? What other shit can the party pull to fuck us over? Could be totally wrong, I’m just thinking here.
third parties just can’t win under the current system. we’d need ranked choice voting.
the way forward is through the primaries. that’s how we got Zohran.
theres also the fact that MSM will be issuing propaganda against 3rd parties or dont even report on them at all, giving them less airtime.
I mean, hell, if the right wing Dems separate from the progressives and join the less-crazy-than-maga centerish Republicans and they go play in corporate-funded Neverland that hopefully no sane voter would touch with a ten foot pole, a real progressive party might actually become a possibility. It’ll isolate the magats and push them back into a hole, we may get a more moderate conservative party that could be open to compromising again, and hopefully a coalition of real progressives can begin putting forward some much needed ideas.
The key will be ensuring that that progressive party is funded well enough to compete with the corporate money that is pumped by the truckload into that new coalition (which will be a feat in itself).
I dunno, just anything to get these fucking fleas out of our politics.
The key is Campaign Finance Reform, which is the issue from which ALL other issues arise.
We need to get money out of politics.
They still deserve mockery for taking 9 years to realize it!
And for many other reasons, honestly
Seriously, more party options is a good thing even if some of them suuuck.
This one definitely suuuuucks. Just a little bit less than where we’re at now.
You don’t understand what they are saying. You don’t understand what I’m saying.
You are the problem. Not some Republican politician whose lie you don’t understand.
This is a very republican method of argument.
Edit: now tell them to go “do your own research”
It’s not an argument. That is why you are confused, don’t understand, and insult.
I agree that it’s not much of an argument.
No you didn’t. :)
Their “ideals” allowed for this fascist regime to start
So you want them to keep those ideals?
And somehow, just somehow, his bills get passed.
They are concerned, but not concerned enough to risk losing reelection by going on record as being concerned.
They said the same thing after Nixon… and after Reagan… and now after Trump. Moderates will eat it up and we will end up worse on the next cycle of debauchery.
The old school dems will team up with the majority of Rs and nothing will change. Anything to keep progressives from taking power.
That would turn the Democrats into a progressive party, which would have nation wide positions, proper party infrastructure in every state and some funding systems. Given how few vote for third parties, that would be a huge win for progressives.
A real simple fix would be ranked choice voting.
A voting system by itself will not unseat the two party system. You been proportional representation if you want lots of parties. I suggest Sequential Proportional Approval Voting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_proportional_approval_voting). Run a local referendums and work your way up.
Not entirely, but we should definitely have it
it’s already been explicitly outlawed in several places.
fix
Which is why it won’t happen.
After Mamdani, they’re scared as fuck of ranked choice elections.
They already were. The right has been sneaking bans on ranked choice voting into many red state legislations for many years now.
You may be thinking “how could they convince people to vote against ranked choice voting?!” By piggybacking on xenophobia of course!
Even though that wouldn’t have mattered in his case. He would have won the primary without the need for ranked choice.
arguably ranked choice gave voters the confidence to pick the candidate that won an outright majority.
That’s a fair point.
I live in uber-blue Oregon and the Dem politicians here rallied against it and got it defeated on the 2024 ballot.
Same here in Massachusetts back in 2020.
It’s not necessarily a GOP vs Dem issue, it’s dominant parties worried that giving voters more choice will weaken their control.
We have it for Portland though! And it’s working
Fuck yeah it is! Hawaii has RCV for some, but not most, elections. Still a step in the right direction.
What’s bullshit? 4 out of 18 Democratic state senators claimed to support it and 14 out of 36 Democratic state reps claimed to support it.
Only 3 Republican state legislators opposed it so Republicans must have been in favor of it too, right?
These cats don’t actually want to fix anything.
“Vote blue no matter who, but also we’ll leave the party completely at the slightest hint you want to reduce income inequality and fix the broken social safety net.”
Edit: Actually, good, fuck em. Why should the left need to start its own party. We’re the Democrats now. Any Democratic official who leaves the party for this should be abandoned forever.
Fuck that. Dem leadership has abandoned the people. The Democratic and Republicans are finished
Probably true, but it’s easier to move into an empty house than build a new one.
Not if the foundation is cracked and crumbling.
I know I started the house analogy, but in this case the foundation is people. It’s the failed leadership and weak platform that can more easily be discarded.
The foundation of both parties is cracked. I’m sorry it is what it is
I mean, I get the frustration and it’s edgy to keep saying there’s no hope, but you’re just not going to get people leaving either party en masse. Most people don’t want to give up the option of voting in primaries and at least having some influence there. It’s just far more plausible to take over existing parties and remake them with a new vision.
Ah, the Obstructionist Party.
That’s not what GOP stands for?
It’s the O in the abbreviation sandwiched between Gaslight and Project.
At this point, any bumps in the road to unfettered misogynist, bigoted, surveillance christofacist power would be helpful while the left gets a real party together.
Stop thinking that’s going to happen.
It’s never going to happen.
Yeah, nah, we’re good dawgs. The democrat-republican third party would just be what the Dems are now - a right-of-center status quo capitulation party. Fuck every single one of you and your mothers. Have a good day.
Realistically, the end goal is to replace the democratic party with the new one and abandon the growing progressive wing to obscurity.
This seems like a trap that will enable the MAGAs to win more elections without a majority of votes…
“We need to get back to our centrist roots. This authoritarianism is hurting profits” said the capitalists en masse
The article doesn’t name names and only mentions “centerists.” Those can all fuck off and make their own party. It will split the republican votes the most.
Republicans is more cultish then democrats. Democrats politician would be more open to a third party
It’ll be hard for Democrats to decide between the existing center-right capitalist status quo party and the new center-right capitalist status quo party. Meanwhile most Republicans just know they love fascism.
Should’ve pushed for ranked choice voting when they had the chance.
