• Deceptichum@quokk.au
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    1 day ago

    Look it’s cool that you’re in a philosophical moral club, but don’t go around defending religion by calling yourself a religion and saying ‘look at me as an example of a good religion’ when you don’t actually hold religious/supranatural beliefs.

    And if you do hold such beliefs, don’t claim you accept reality.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 day ago

      Look, I actually kind of agree. And this is why I will never call myself a Satanist.

      However, I think it’s foolish to ignore the work that the TST does in fighting for the separation of religion and government.

    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
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      You know, you can just say “supernaturalism” instead of “religion”. The two are not synonymous. You can have religion without supernaturalism, such as non-theistic Satanism and some forms of Buddhism. You can have supernaturalism without religion, which describes many New-Agers. I’m sure you’ve heard people say “I’m spiritual, but not religious”, and that’s what they mean by that. There are people who believe in souls and reincarnation and stuff like that, but they don’t have a religion built around it.

      In the case of non-theistic Satanism, there is a moral code, a set of beliefs, and a community of people with shared values, as well as holidays and rituals. Just nothing supernatural.

      • Deceptichum@quokk.au
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        24 hours ago

        You cannot, but please do show this supposedly zero make-believe form of Buddhism.

        In the case of non-theistic Satanism, there is a moral code, a set of beliefs, and a community of people with shared values, as well as holidays and rituals. Just nothing supernatural.

        Exactly, it’s a club not a religion.

    • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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      23 hours ago

      That’s a controversial take.

      As far as I’m concerned, TST is only a “religion” on the books as a basic requirement for them to insert themselves into all of the places that religion, specifically Christianity, is inserted into by government, so they can demonstrate the hypocrisy of the “leadership” that was elected.

      Also, having a belief that there isn’t anything in the great beyond, is still a belief. You can have a belief without denying reality/Science. None of these things are mutually exclusive. I’m saddened that you don’t seem to believe that.

      At the end of the day, I see anyone identifying as a satanist under TST to be doing advocacy work on behalf of nonbelievers, since most governments would rather deny all religious symbols/rituals/information from government than allow “Satanists” a platform. Their actions unilaterally has eliminated, mitigated, or otherwise diminished the involvement of any one particular sky daddy from government. It’s a worthwhile thing to be done.

      You’re entitled to an opinion, even if everyone else disagrees, so think whatever you want. I don’t agree that you can’t be agnostic/atheist and be a part of a “religion”. You absolutely can.

      Even the lack of a belief is, in and of itself, a belief.