Somehow Ive missed hearing about either of these

Its a quote from Rogue One if I’m not mistaken

Did you actually read the text of the meme? The 2016 graph is to show that the electoral college can invalidate the popular vote.

There are 155 million levers. The plurality of the levers might win, but sometimes 46% of the levers is enough to beat 48% (this happened in 2016 due to the electoral college, see above) ----> big arrow pointing to the 2016 election results

Respectfully, I dont believe we’re going to shift each other’s views at a rate where it’s feasible to undertake this via a Lemmy thread. I will disengage from here, feel free to take this as a “win” if you’re the type of person to do that. I sincerely and genuinely wish you luck in your approach, I would love to be proven wrong.

Edit: typo

Thank you for totally failing to engage with anything I typed 👍

So, while in a perfect world, I agree with you… The current problem that exists is that opposite to Biden is Trump. And while Biden is currently engaging in a performance of seeing how quickly he can erase a red line after drawing it, Trump:

• Has on record stated that Israel must “finish the problem”
• Is the spearhead of the project 2025 plan
• Is also domestically terrible (to sum it up in one awful term… He’s hard-line “Anti-woke”)

Given the above, can you understand how, even though its a terrible, awful, disgusting decision to make, a lot of voters will want as many people as possible to still vote for Biden, despite acknowledging his terrible policy? How these voters understand what they are enabling, but they also understand that the alternative is the potential democratic collapse (project 2025) of the USA?

Edit: in addition to the above, what @[email protected] also stands as needing to be answered… Where is the mass outraged call for the right to (in a non-antisemitic way) support Palestine if elected? As far as I’m concerned, ive not seen a single call to action for that side.

iT’S TeLlInG ThAt yOu dOnT

What is it telling of exactly? Is this meant to imply that pug supports the Israeli campaign? That they’re also a genocidal madperson?

If you’ll humor me for a moment… What happens if progressives pull support for biden and he doesn’t change his position? What is the outcome of that scenario?

When there is not enough popular support for the “best party”, and revolutionary overthrow is non viable, then the “true mark of anti-fascism” is knowing when to vote for the least bad party and then continue campaigning and canvassing to pressure for better policy and candidates

Its disgusting and it feels terrible, but (speaking broadly) if the progressive voter base leaves the a country’s primary “left leaning” party, then the party will reach instead for center right voters to fill that gap, driving the party further right.

I won’t tell you prescriptively who to vote for, but please, give it some thought in good faith

I know, it’s absolutely ridiculous. I’m sorry I even suggested it in the first place. /s

I think its probably possible to use a meme format without intending it to compare yourself to the subject of the meme

Idk, I seem to recall that when I was (more of) a young’un, I was told that staring was rude across the board.

Hey CumFart I feel like you normally post pretty correct stuff so this take from you is surprising… What part of this do you think is made up?

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All community rules are bastards? Weird take

They havent achieved anything. They sow dissent claiming that electoralism and direct action must be mutually exclusive resulting in dividing the leftists on this platform and broadly across the internet.

To be clear, BERNIE IS VERY CLEARLY THE BETTER OPTION but since the US has a terrible electoral system, all they are achieving is a splitting of the vote unless they convince every last liberal and undecided in the country to vote the same way. 50% fascist is better than Project-2025% fascist.

acting like your morals are any better than Republicans

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You know what, you’re right. Looks like I’ve gone too long assuming they were interchangeably usable by changing the surrounding words.

I’ll redact my previous statement, though to be clear, I still strongly disagree that one could say that the attackers schizophrenia was definitely a factor in this without having a previously existing mental evaluation and the expertise to understand it. You could say that it’s more likely to have been influenced by his schizophrenia, but as I previously noted, a relatively small minority of schizophrenic people are violent (10-15%).

You don’t need to be a psychologist to determine whether his mental illness was a factor.

I’m not saying his mental illness was the reason.

Please continue saying more contradictory statements.

If you think it could be a factor, then you think it might be a reason that he did this. It could be a factor, but again, neither of us are equipped to evaluate the mental status of someone based on news articles.

Edit: Factor =/= Reason. My argument in this message is flatly incorrect due to this, though I’ll leave it up.

Please don’t tell me to stop and breathe, I’m fully calm in this discussion.

My argument is that no one in this thread is a psychologist who has evaluated the schizophrenic person. Not you, not me, not anyone else. We can speculate as to the cause, but making prescriptive statements like “he did this because he has schizophrenia” only serve to stigmatize the condition further when we truly have no idea if that was the cause.

A person who is mentally ill and has done violent things, doesn’t mean they did those violent things because of their illness.

In fact, your “common sense” isn’t even supported by science.

• Only 10-15% of schizophrenic people exhibit violent tendencies

• Schizophrenic people living in communities are up to 14x more likely to be the victim of violence rather than the perpetrator

• Finally, this is anecdotal, but for whatever it’s worth, I have multiple (3) friends who are schizophrenic and they are genuinely the kindest people I know, whether or not they are on their medication.

Stop vilifying the mentally ill.