I’m not saying your truck in particular is a status symbol, I’m saying trucks are status symbols and therefore generally expensive. If you’re in the US, it’s hard to find something like a Honda Acty and you’ll always pay for the machine to be oversized.

I’m also not saving EVs have no drawbacks at all. The drawbacks they have are, however, manageable. A car will always be a compromise, and the fact that electric cars have to be charged is something that can be dealt with.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/20/do-electric-cars-pose-a-greater-fire-risk-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles

https://www.driving.co.uk/car-clinic/are-electric-cars-more-likely-to-catch-fire-than-petrol-and-diesel-cars/

https://internationalfireandsafetyjournal.com/research-highlights-lower-fire-risk-in-electric-cars-compared-to-petrol-and-diesel-vehicles/

Etc etc

The issue with this stance is that it’s one of those all-or-nothing points of view. Sure it’s better to have good public transportation, but in a lot of places there won’t be for the foreseeable future. Sure it’s better to use bicycles, but sometimes it’s just not an option.

Electric cars won’t fix traffic, but for the planet they’re still a vast improvement. It’s like a viable 95% solution that is dismissed because there might a 100% one somewhere in the next 200 years.

Your home doesn’t need to charge fast. Just charge overnight. In Europe, after a few hours on a three phases plug your car will be full, after a night on a single phase as well. In the US, a night on an ordinary plug should give you enough range to do more than average stuff or at least get to the next fast charger.

To be honest, if you truly need a truck that’s of course an issue as you picked the biggest status symbol of them all, which makes it the most expensive type of car. There are plenty EVs with AWD and some ground clearance, maybe check them out and consider a small trailer if you need to transport your stuff?

However, you seem to already have decided to dislike EVs, so I doubt you’d be enjoying it. If you’re bent on hating something, chances are you’ll find a reason to do so.

You know, it actually does. Taking a 20 minute break every 3 hours doesn’t hurt anybody badly. That’s all it takes to no longer locally burn fossil fuels and reduce the emissions significantly. I get the problem that electric cars are too expensive and I understand that some people can’t afford them. But this entitlement of “my precious 20 minutes that I can spend doing some situps or have a coffee are too much to ask from me, so I’d rather keep burning carbon” is just nonsense. People should walk more and bike more and use more trains. However, if none of that works, electric cars are a working alternative to produce much less carbon dioxide. But if a slight inconvenience of taking not even the recommended pauses while driving is already too much to ask, this planet is fucked I guess.

So, I get where you’re going, but first: it takes much longer, but I do it at home while I’m asleep, so that doesn’t really count. It’s more the opposite, I really enjoy not having to stop at gas stations anymore. You just never wake up to an empty car anymore.

Then, for longer trips, it obviously takes more time to recharge than to refuel. But as a family of five, we had breaks before we had an ev. Last time we made a longer trip, we picked up my inlaws and wanted to visit some other family members that were about one and a half charge stops away. We took three breaks because someone had to pee, someone was hungry or someone wanted whatever. If you’re a flying sales person that that wants to drive 2000 km in a day it’ll obviously be annoying. For anybody else that takes some reasonable stops along the way, I doubt it changes much. Just stop the car at a charger and grab a coffee at the next supermarket. Once you had that you can usually drive again.

What’s wrong with storage and refuelling? We got two electric cars, they charge well.

Well, I guess it’s a good thing they rarely catch fire compared to combustion engine cars then.

You make it sound like a joke but that’s literally all it takes here.

I really thought this was about the DirectX compatibility layer for Linux and was hopelessly lost until a dozen sentences in.

I’m out of the loop… What torpedo? What woman?

So you call them steamed hams, despite the fact they are obviously grilled.

At this time of year?

For steamed hams?

You’ll own nothing and you’ll like it

I won’t throw shade

imo nissan has masterbated making really comfortable seats.

Nissan has what?

If you can’t charge at home, don’t get a phev.

For our family, we once had a Citroën grand c4 Picasso and loved it - just got rid of it to switch to a BEV, but other than that had no issues with it.

For a family that doesn’t drive much but needs space if it does, what about high roof station wagons? Citroën Berlingo, VW Caddy, stuff like that?

Full EV are probably no go due to price.

Not necessarily. Depends on how big your family is and how much space you need in your car. For your budget, you could get a used electric VW golf, Kia soul or Nissan leaf, which are all compact cars but might still be okay for a family of three or four. I even just found an electric Renault kangoo with 5 seats for about 10k at https://m.mobile.de/auto-inserat/renault-kangoo-z-e-maxi-lang-5-sitzer-inkl-batterie-garbsen-bei-hannover/367923883.html?searchId=039c99f4-0879-cacf-50e7-d320b4ad6cc9&ref=srp&type=ad . Electric cars might offer you better durability for those short trips, which obviously are no problem for them, while even gas cars tend to need a longer trip every now and then (and diesel obviously even more). You won’t get much range for that budget though - for what your said you’d need, it’d work though.

If you’re in Europe, consider European brands a little more. Parts can be an issue for oversea brands. Usual spare parts are mostly available, but if something fancy needs to be ordered from Korea or the US, it might take some time. Every European brand offers station wagons and vans, there’s too much to list them all, and honestly, established brands don’t build objectively bad cars anymore… You might always have bad luck or better luck, but in the end you should be fine with any of them. Just don’t buy diesel or phev with your profile.

Man, I miss smaller phones. Still running my s10e. Got a fairphone 4 when I had to renew my contract but quickly got back to the s10e because of the camera and, more importantly, the size. With the s10e’s battery starting to really degrade, I’m now looking for a phone and they’re all too big! S22 is on my list, which is only slightly bigger than the s10e. Would have bought the Xperia 10 V, if it had a better camera and wireless charging, even though it’s sony’s low end device, just because it is kind of small. I’m even considering switching to an iPhone SE, just because I can’t seem to find higher end small android phones. What kind of hands do people think I have?