I wouldn’t call 3 extra days “much better”.

You’re talking about the Netherlands? It’s 5 days fully paid.

I can take several months if I want it, but I have to take a 30% pay cut, which we can’t afford. Paternity leave in the Netherlands sucks.

I taught English in Japan (JET) for one year, and at the end I said what a lot of people say: I’d love to visit, but I’m never going to work here again.

The work culture in Japan is fucked. The fact that the amount of time you spend at work, not your actual output, determines how “productive” you are is so fucking stupid. I worked my contract hours and I was seen as lazy. Despite the fact that everything I was asked to do was always done and done well, the fact that I didn’t come in 2 hours early and nap at my desk meant I was lazy. Add onto that the fact that I only got a (generous for Japan) 15 days of nenkyuu (paid days off), which you can’t actually use because what happens if you get sick. Sick leave exists, but does it? Does it really? The one time I tried to use it, I was told “it’d be better for everyone if you didn’t”, and then had to use my nenkyuu anyway.

And that was me working a pretty privileged position! If I was coming from Vietnam to work in a retirement home, I’m sure the working conditions would be far worse with the threat of deportation looming over my head. Immigration is a band aid at best. As soon as immigrants have the opportunity to move somewhere better, they will of course take that.

In contrast, I now live in the Netherlands, which shockingly has some of the least generous child benefits in the EU. And yet, we get about 100€/month from the government in support, plus about 50% the cost of childcare paid for. My wife gets 4 months of maternity leave at full pay (I only get 5 days which is super fucked), with up to 3 years at 60% pay with a guarantee of her job being there when she gets back. We each have 25+ days off a year, which are actually used for days off, if the kid gets sick, we can use sick leave to care for it, and sick leave is unlimited. Also, healthcare for children is 100% paid by the government. And with all of that, we’re barely in a position to be able to consider having children.

Not me but my partner.

She was working as a research assistant in a lab for several years. She asked her boss if she could be promoted to a research associate, which was one level above her. She already been doing the job of a researcher (3 levels above her). Her boss said that they were in a hiring freeze and that it wouldn’t be possible, but maybe in 2-3 YEARS she might be up for a promotion. Her boss wanted everyone to get the most they possibly could out of their current position before promotion. What my partner heard was that even if she eventually got the promotion to the next level, it might be 5-7 years after that promotion until the next promotion.

I’ve never seen her so angry when she came home. She immediately started applying to new jobs in a different field. She also stopped doing work above her pay grade, to which her boss actually tried to retaliate against her. Within 2 months, she moved onto a new job that is 75% WFM, pays more, has a better culture and is in a field where she can much more easily move upward.

Her former company has started layoffs.

but things should normalize after that.

There’s a greater likelihood that the content creators are the ones moving. Most of the reddit power users likely used third party apps. Most of the reddit power users are also the ones who wrote most of the comments worth reading.

So if on june 1 most of the reddit power users flee, reddit’s enshitification will have reached a terminal stage. Eventually, reddit will stop having things worth reading, and the lurkers will all move over.

I think we’re in for a long decline of reddit a la facebook. However unlike facebook, there isn’t a market of old people/foreign markets that can fill their user numbers.

That’s not how any of this works…

Communities (as you put, sublemmy) can’t be individually federated, only instances can be. And needing another account is a sign that you are looking at a post on the wrong instance, not a sign that an instance is not federated. In fact, finding out an instance is not federated can be pretty difficult unless you check the list of instances that are defederated on another instance.

That’s not a universal link, so you ended up on a different instance. A much simpler and easy explanation than what you came up with.

My NFL team last year gave up its franchise quarterback, and the subreddit basically only talked about the former QB for the entire preseason, and then still talked about it for half the season. Then it died down. And before the protest, he wasn’t really talked about all that much.

Reddit is still fresh in people’s minds. It will go away. In the early days of reddit a LOT of people talked about digg, but within a few months it just wasn’t mentioned much anymore.

A lot of people here spent years on our ex-platform. It’s going to take some time to get that out of our system. In the meantime, enjoy the shadenfreude!

I was a mod on an advice sub on reddit, this is a terrible idea.

It was enough work as a mod to sift through things that actually needed to be reported. For advice, downvotes are needed to express when something is genuinely bad advice. It can’t be up to mods to sift through every single comment, that’d be impossible.

Just fyi, when posting links to communities, you should just use the “/c/” without the link to the instance. Like this: /c/[email protected]

This is similar to how those links were done on reddit (/r/). The problem with your link is that it is instance specific, which is really helpful for anyone in your instance, but anyone in a different instance will be thrown out of their instance if they click it (they’ll be unable to subscribe).

I explained this in my post: https://lemmy.world/post/149743

Those communities still exist on this instance, they just aren’t synced. You can see new posts from only lemmy.world users. Any posts/comments you make are not shared within the wider lemmyverse.

Effectively that community is a zombie community on this instance. Just unsub from that community, it’s useless to you unless behave decides to refederate.

Yes.

Just explaining how this affects the users here, that’s it. I just said why I personally think this is a mistake.

surely I can do that without both of them needing to give me permission via federation?

So there are whitelist only instances (which honestly is what beehaw should be doing), so if you hosted your own instance, you would need to be whitelisted in order to interact with beehaw communities/users. Otherwise, federation is pretty much a default

Like if I want to set up my own instance and pull posts from lemmy.world and beehaw.org, surely I can do that without both of them needing to give me permission via federation?

Ok, so this requires some understanding of the ActivityPub protocol, and my understand of this edge case is admittedly a bit fuzzy. You can still access that information, you could do it right now just by going to https://beehaw.org, and if you have some mechanism to pull that data, you could still get that data if you wanted to. But critically, that wouldn’t use ActivityPub.

With ActivityPub, your instance would send a request to the community on beehaw to follow the community. The beehaw instance would then send updates to your instance, where they would be stored as a copy. Beehaw keeps the “true” version, as the community is hosted on their instance, but you have your own copy. If beehaw defederates you (or is whitelist only and never federates you), then you can’t send that request (rather, you can send the request, but beehaw won’t listen). So beehaw will not send updates via ActivityPub.

sorry, I had to do a lot of editing in order to get it to post this morning.

Including instances that are also defederated.

Basically, beehaw has decided we can no longer access the “true” version of communities on beehaw. So the versions hosted here on lemmy.world are still visible to lemmy.world users, but that doesn’t update the “true” version, and also doesn’t update other versions hosted on other defederated instances.

It will be interesting to check beehaw communities hosted on defederated instances in a few days. Because the version on lemmy.world will be very different from the version on sh.itjust.works which will be different still from the “true” version.

Maybe read my post on lemmy.world (or another lemmy instance) that all of these are comments on before you make a bunch of assumptions.

You obviously got called out for disregarding the rules of other instances

I obviously didn’t. I like how you just assuming I’m some internet asshole. All I did was write out an explanation for the users of this instance because there was a lot of confusion about what defederation means. Maybe stop being a jerk and making assumptions?

I never said beehaw wasn’t allowed to do what they’re doing, of course they are. You’re the one making that assumption. I said that this will result in more damage to beehaw than to lemmy.world, and it will do more damage still to lemmy as a whole.

Like I told the other dude, I don’t care what beehaw does. I was just explaining the consequences of this action for the users on this instance. Why are you even here? You aren’t in this instance.

I think this action is bad for the adoption of lemmy, that’s why I don’t like it. Beyond that, the beehaw admins can do what they like. If they want to nuke their walled garden/prison, that’s their prerogative. I’m just saying what a bad idea I think it is.

Luckily .world/.ml/.works alternatives are all starting to become available.

Yeah I did. That’s why I think they don’t fully understand what defederation entails. It doesn’t accomplish the goals they set out in their decision post, and does have a whole bunch of knock on effects (for their own users) that they don’t address at all.

If lemmy.world wants to be federated to beehaw they should respect the rules of the community they are visiting.

I think your understanding of federation is flawed. Like I wrote in my post, this action does more harm to beehaw than it does to lemmy.world. I don’t care about beehaw. For that matter, I don’t care about lemmy.world.

I wrote this post to help explain why people could still see posts/comments from beehaw users, in an attempt to explain what was going on. A lot of people were confused as to what defederation means. And given the resulting effects, I think the beehaw admins are similarly confused.

I do care about lemmy, and I don’t like that large instance owners are using actions they don’t understand. A division like this between 3 of the 4 largest instances can be damaging to the adoption of lemmy as a whole. It would be one thing if this was justified or even made sense, but it didn’t.

They’re throwing a tantrum because some instances have open registration and they don’t like that. They’re trying to govern how other instances are run. Like I said, they are using admin tools for moderation purposes, which is not how this is supposed to work. And doing so is could be damaging to lemmy as a whole. Luckily, the beehaw users that like their prison are sticking to it, those that don’t are leaving, and the lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works users are just not interacting with the beehaw communities.

Lemmy is working as intended. Once again, I don’t care what beehaw does. I personally think this is a bad move as it doesn’t do what the admins over there want to do. But I’m not personally offended. This whole post was an explanation for the users here who were confused.