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I’m tired of rich and/or petty people controlling us. We’re better than this.
I would change Republicans to ‘selfish and narrow-minded individuals’
So … billionaires.
Owning class.
How much in your bank account isn’t the point — it is how that money got there. It just so happens that practically nobody ever became a billionaire without the use of exploitation.
Yet, it is not just billionaires but any who make their income through exploiting their private ownership over the tools, land, and resources which make production possible that, under the capitalist system, entitles those “owners” to the excess value of labor, in the form of profits, that are generated by the working class – individuals who must sell their labor to these owners for a wage – under their employment.
You can blame only Republicans which even if they disappeared wouldn’t solve the issue, or you can acknowledge that both parties are corrupted by oligarchs and PACS
While I agree with your premise, its very disingenuous to imply a lot of issues wouldnt be solved/improved if Republicans blinked out of existence like a Thanos Snap.
I think you both agree that it’s more complicated than that and it’s a systemic thing effecting both parties. I think he just wrote it differently than you read it
I do agree there are some issues that would not be there without the Republicans, that’s not what I’m saying but rather saying only blaming the Republicans doesn’t solve the real issues we have
Yes they both suck, yes Republicans suck worse, but I think you’re missing some important nuance of exactly how the Democrats suck. Let’s game this out:
If 77 million of the dumbest shitheads ever to walk the Earth were to simultaneously, spontaneously implode tomorrow, everything would change. But especially the Democratic Party. The party leadership would not be able to keep doing what it had been doing. Their whole game requires the Republicans to exist as a credible threat for what’s going to happen if you don’t keep giving them money and settling for whoever they foist on you. They always try to run the furthest-right soulless hack they possibly can, so they calculate what the threshold is that would make enough people say “fuck this, I’m sitting this one out” to throw the race to the Republican, and aim just to the left of that. So, with every single Trump fan or likely R voter gone ( and nothing of value lost ) the entire electorate is now split- pretty evenly on age lines- between the proudly centrist, CNN-watching Biden 2020 primary voters, and the angry progressive left who’s been holding their nose and voting for the lesser of two evils their whole life.
The Democratic party can only pick up the first group. Democratic Socialists take the other group. Nonvoters become a much smaller group, and third parties remain negligible. Now the only way for the Democratic party to survive (Especially since the c-suite and board of directors of most of their corporate donors just went poof, so those companies restructured as co-ops…) is to keep running the only play they know- unilaterally compromise and triangulate with the other party. So what they do now is move as far left as they can get away with without losing their base, who they’re already losing to old age.
Republicans: categorically awful on every single issue
Democrats: Not that
Babies: waaaah I want a competitive party that matches my opinions on every single issue
Find me one major party in the entire world that matches your personal ideals 100%. Spoiler: it doesn’t exist, unless you happen to be a king or dictator of an authoritarian state.
Two party systems means you have two parties with distinct ethics, and one party winning consistently means the country’s ethics will shift over time in the favor of that winning party. So keep spite voting against Democrats and see where that gets you.
Edit: you know why the Democrats are similar to Republicans on so many issues? Because Republicans keep winning elections.
Extreme leftist don’t vote then wonder why a candidate doesn’t try to earn their vote.
Thanks for sharing your feelings with us
My optimism for the future is dead at this point. Even if we miraculously have a collective pivot into sustainable practices tomorrow, this train ain’t stopping in my lifetime. Maybe it’ll be better for future generations, I sincerely hope it is and I’ll keep doing what I can to ensure that. But my future is doomed to dealing with the mess that unchecked greed and exploitation has wreaked upon our world.
Yeah, this is kind of my attitude as well, sadly. I’m a younger millennial, but I feel I’ve been around long enough to determine we’re truly just a pot of boiling crabs dragging everyone else down to try to save ourselves.
I think one of the hardest parts of getting older, at least for me, is watching the childlike wonder and hope for the world within yourself slowly vanish. I’ll never stop fighting the good fight, but the light has definitely died in my heart. Honestly, sad as fuck.
Hope is a toxic ideaology. It does nothing but destroy us, like a cheap steak in hydrofluoric acid.
It stays our hand, and slows our response.
Hope needs to die.
and be replaced by an unbridled, mindless, blackout rage.
Let me introduce sociopath theory.
Their lack of morals allows them to rapidly accumulate money and power. Once entrenched, they continue amass wealth and power far beyond what is healthy for functioning societies. People don’t check this accumulation because individually they are moral humans who it pains in the extreme to seriously injure another human on their own (Luigi is an extreme exception driven by unbearable pain). But, when it gets bad enough, the poor, the losers in the sociopath race, normally isolated, begin to bond together to protect themselves from predation. This bonding together decreases the individual emotional burden of doing violence. People mob up … emboldened by those around them. At a certain point, it goes critical and elite heads roll far and wide.
At that point, the sociopaths are purged and the moral can go back to some form of just governance for a decade or two until the sociopaths begin to claw it all back.
Que the “ableist” hate mail.
I wish america was more like the french, when it came to actually rioting in the streets and burning the bitch down when shit goes against what the people want.
Together with 24/7/365 capitalist propaganda fire hosed into our faces from the time we’re born.
Blame the 30 yr mortgage.
Crabs don’t need to boil to hold each other down, they’re just assholes.
Like humans.
True! I was conflating a bucket of crabs and boiling frogs. I guess we’re both though, so it’s pretty fitting.
The frog thing is less fun to me when I learned it’s less accurate, apparently they can sense it warming and just hop tf out of dodge when it gets warm
We have much to learn from the frog sensei…
Spoiler: It won’t. The wealth gap inequality will continue to grow. Most of the world will essentially become slaves to the corporations and wealthy elites.
Why are people downvoting you? People are in denial and shock I guess. America is over.
Unfortunately, shifting to the right is a global trend. It’s just starting.
I’m tired of the future being destroyed by billionaires.
Who just so happen to wholeheartedly support the Republican agenda in the US, with the exception of Gates.
You don’t make billions by supporting fair wages, labor unions, health and safety regulations, affordable and accessible healthcare, social programs, socialized infrastructure, and higher taxes on the wealthy.
Billionaires bankroll both parties, what are you talking about
Yes but somehow those are way less agressive at taking away your rights and even try to make the world moderately better. It’s the difference between the guys hacking holes in the boat and the ones not fixing the holes fast enough. Sure, both are letting the boat sink, but there does seem a serious difference.
I quite enjoy that analogy, thank you.
To be fair, there are plenty of billionaires backing the dems too, they’re just a bit more subtle about their intentions, but they are not pioneers of the working class.
Of course the dems getting in in 2024 mightve slowed the roll of fascism, but it would’ve just delayed it rather than solved any of the underlying issues. With the exception of some truly progressive members of the party, the dems are basically just there to uphold the status quo.
Most of the billionaires that back the republicans also back the democrats, and the democrats also have their fair share of billionaires funding/controlling their candidates all their own. It is a uni-party system that puts on a kabuki show of ‘right vs left’ for their entertainment. Stop buying tickets for it!
Yes exactly!!
I understand the frustration around those saying the parties are the same, I really do, because in the short term, the chaos of the Trump administration would not be happening if Kamala were to get in, but I’m personally extremely frustrated by people putting the dems/kamala on a pedestal as if they were going to do anything to actually help people.
It’s an oligarchy through and through. Kamala wouldve prevented a lot of the mass deportation, but she wouldn’t have prevented the wars across the world, and she would’ve done very little to close the wealth gap between rich and poor.
The only thing that’ll cause real change is for the working class to finally realize that the billionaires are our real enemy and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.
Yeah, people forget that Democrats have fully adopted Republican immigration policy. Look at the actual deportation numbers. They were higher under Obama than under Trump. Trump is just a lot louder about it. And Kamala supported building the border wall.
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics who wake up every day and consciously decide they want to destroy everything around them.
Unbelievable that the rest of the Americans would rather just sit there and take it than risk literally anything.
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics who wake up every day and consciously decide they want to put their foot on someone else’s neck so that they can feel superior, even if it means they are worse off.
Ftfy
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics that get off so much on being told ‘you owned a lib’ that they vote against their own interest and inspire baseless fear of normal human needs and rights.
Yes, thank you! You got it.
I just want free public transit, affordable housing//rent/food/bills and some free time to actually enjoy being alive, is that too much to ask?
Republicans: Yes, you entitled whiny millenial. Also, no one wants to work. Also you are probably a groomer.
You filthy communist.
-actual nazi magats
Fill your bottle with one hand while working with the other. Don’t bother washing your hands, they’ll return the merchandise you’re mailing out anyway.
/s if you really need it
Forwards from (liberal) Grandma.
How about tired of the uni-party system! We need real change, politicians who care about the workers, not corporations and their oligarchs.
Right on, no argument here.
Just, ah, be careful of the angle you hold it at when you raise it.
Indeed!
Can also raise it at your side to avoid the bad zone.
And don’t leave your bite marks at a random fast food shop.
tired of the future being destroyed by capitalists and zionists. sorry, i repeated myself there…
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Meme mentions republicans ruining the country. Know before I even click on it that the comments will all be about “B-but the democrats are just as b-bad!”
Typical Lemmy.
I’ve scrolled a few pages now and haven’t seen a single one of those. Weird. I guess I’ll keep going. I wouldn’t generalize Lemmy like that though.
This thread is full of it.
I’ll keep looking 😄
There are two possibly three in this thread alone. Stop being intentionally myopic.
intentionally myopic
Uh. I was just giving my experience? In fact I was intentionally open-minded, saying I would look further. The fuck? Who is myopic here?
And by protest-non-voters.
I don’t blame non-voters, disenfranchised from the uni-party system. It is the job of the politicians to work for the people, not the other way around. The politicians act like they are a celebrity, and we should bend a knee and vote for their scraps. Give the non-voters something to vote for, and they will be back.
Non-voters is different than protest-non-voters, who are very much wrong in thinking protest non voting will effect positive change.
For the rest https://lemmy.world/comment/17900385
Voters are not your slaves. They owe you nothing. If you’re a politician and you can’t get people to support you, that’s on you. No, you can’t just point across the aisle. Someone else committing worse crimes doesn’t excuse yours.
We have to stop falling for the extortionists. Corporate Democrats are extortionists, nothing more. They’re no different than a mobster that says, “nice house there, would be a shame if something happened to it.” That’s literally their strategy for winning elections - “well, I’m not going to do anything for you, but the other guy will be even worse!”
Stop telling people they have a duty to vote for criminals and extortionists.
Hey I remember you, you’re the guy that just tried to pass off “Gore was going to invade Iraq!”.
So, strawman fallacy. I did not say or suggest that voters are your slaves. What I said is that protest-non-voting is wholly and completely ineffectual at positive change. More of your hammering different things together I see.
Corporate Democrats are extortionists,
More nutso.
Stop telling people they have a duty to vote for criminals and extortionists.
More strawman. See above.
criminals and extortionists.
More nutso.
I don’t think you read what I linked. Here you go:
Dems deliver, but it’s always “n n not good enough” for certain people.
Inb4 replies: The Dems need all 3 houses to pass anything. They’ve had that for, drumroll please, 4 years of the last 24 years. That’s 2 years under Obama and 2 under Biden. Go back further to include Bill Clinton and it’s 6 years of the last 32 years. Go further and it’s 6 years of the last 44 years. And you wonder why progress is slow?
Ciao.
Corporate Dems getting a lock on Congress isn’t enough to get things passed. They always find a rotating villain to be the designated bad guy.
But yeah, go ahead and throw names like “nutso” around, as your ilk continue to lose election after elections with your tired and geriatric strategy.
You’re right I shouldn’t say nutso, I should say conspiracy theorist. Ok ciao.
Typical Blue Maga, turning to name calling. I bet you like throwing around words like “drumpf” a lot too.
Well you sure showed those politicians
Muslim and Arab Americans in Dearborn who listened to Kamala promise to kill their brothers and sisters in Palestine and Lebanon with utmost lethality, and decided not to vote for her, are the reason for America’s burgeoning fascism. Thanks for the top analysis, chief.
Exhibit A.
Exhibit A what exactly? You really think he should have voted for the dems? I would have called him a hypocrite if he did, pretending to care about Palestine but still supporting the DNC
… Exhibit A of a protest non voter.
