I love that people are protesting, but the whole “no kings” thing? Really missing the fascist forest for the orange tree.
Is Trump a fascist wannabe dictator? Yes.
Is he a tumor who is killing American democracy? Yes.
He’s not doing it alone, though, he didn’t pop up out of nowhere, and the underlying cancers that made his regime possible won’t just magically vanish when he hopefully succumbs to almost 80 years of bad diet and almost no exercise within the next couple of years.
The GOP is a fascist party enabled by an effective disinformation machine creating not just a cult of personality around Trump himself, but also a cult of hate that is as united by hostility towards The Others as much as their adoration of the Mango Mussolini.
Unless the DNC leadership and the protest organizers step up their messaging and starts listening to and representing the ignored third of the country to the Left of Ronald Reagan and the Cheneys, fascism won’t go away when the abomination currently infesting the oval office finally croaks.
You can make a little sign with whatever super important issue on it that you like. People did that. People understood that “No Kings” includes all the issues that come with being a king -or dictator.
But the most important thing people did was show the fuck up.
Just like with voting, a protest doesn’t do anything unless people show the fuck up.
And just like with voting, there are loud, persistent voices online that bemoan doing anything at all because it just isn’t perfect enough for them.
And you know what? It will never be perfect enough for those people. The real reason they complain is not about the level of perfection in the “messaging”. It’s that they are lazy shits. Or lazy shills.
No, that was justifiably peeved since you’re still insisting on misrepresenting my clearly stated point.
If I was arguing in bad faith, I’d do something silly like reduce your argument to the most childishly simplified and egocentric possible interpretation and then insist on the accuracy of that after having the crux of the argument repeated just as clearly but more succinctly.
That’s just flat out false. The Dem leadership is still bending over backwards to make bipartisan deals with fascists who don’t negotiate in good faith and their messaging is all about messaging to almost-Trumpers about how HE is bad while not addressing the underlying problems. Some of which the Dems themselves are partly to blame for.
People need a face for an enemy
Yeah, that worked SUPER well when they lost to the most unqualified and personally repulsive person to ever run for president TWICE and only BARELY beat him while he was actively ignoring an ongoing pandemic 🙄
Nebulous constructs will not focus anger.
There’s nothing “nebulous” about concentration camps, systemic discrimination, complete subservience to a madman, and specific policy that is ruinous to regular people while further enriching the already extremely rich and powerful.
There’s SO much more than only Trump to focus on for the Dem leadership, which would be MUCH more effective in appealing to the actual concerns of regular people and thus increasing voter participation, which would doom the GOP to obscurity in a few cycles if done right.
No one is glossing over it means we see it. Yes we know. Your ascribing malice to everyone pell neel without seeing that yep, the lawmakers are the issue, but the people aren’t b
We are fighting
We are not glossing anything over.
You cannot fight wars on multiple fronts we cannot focus on every single focus point it is not feasible
Trump is the head of the snake. Not the only snake, but right now he’s the head
Now focus. Stop panicking. Worked with each other. We need to stop letting the overwhelming amount of crap they are thwpring out there blind you
Remove trump, and it proves the people are in charge and we can remove anyone
See your listing the issues, that’s fine. But that doesn’t help focus
Part of the reason occupy Wall Street failed was a lack of focus, cohesion and unity. Infighting, separate agendas.
That’s what’s happening now, and your post is a symptom. You’re not stupid, hell your not wrong about any of those issues being important, but your running in circles trying to trying to stop a flood of water with buckets, when we just have to turn off the spout.
It’s hard to turn that spout and it won’t be done tomorrow, but if we focus, we can
I swear I think people’s egos just like to argue for the sake of argument and being intellectually “correct” rather than actually trying to understand the other person and their point of view. Reddit was especially awful with this, which was why I left.
It’s both human nature and the nature of protest. There’s a set theme or target and you rally around in. Protests aren’t actually places for nuisanced conversations about the specificities of who, what and where the problem is, they are ground swells to inspire, uplift and fight for change, it’s explicitly a “big picture” event, it’s not a discussion forum
I love that people are protesting, but the whole “no kings” thing? Really missing the fascist forest for the orange tree.
Is Trump a fascist wannabe dictator? Yes.
Is he a tumor who is killing American democracy? Yes.
He’s not doing it alone, though, he didn’t pop up out of nowhere, and the underlying cancers that made his regime possible won’t just magically vanish when he hopefully succumbs to almost 80 years of bad diet and almost no exercise within the next couple of years.
The GOP is a fascist party enabled by an effective disinformation machine creating not just a cult of personality around Trump himself, but also a cult of hate that is as united by hostility towards The Others as much as their adoration of the Mango Mussolini.
Unless the DNC leadership and the protest organizers step up their messaging and starts listening to and representing the ignored third of the country to the Left of Ronald Reagan and the Cheneys, fascism won’t go away when the abomination currently infesting the oval office finally croaks.
You can make a little sign with whatever super important issue on it that you like. People did that. People understood that “No Kings” includes all the issues that come with being a king -or dictator.
But the most important thing people did was show the fuck up.
Just like with voting, a protest doesn’t do anything unless people show the fuck up.
And just like with voting, there are loud, persistent voices online that bemoan doing anything at all because it just isn’t perfect enough for them.
And you know what? It will never be perfect enough for those people. The real reason they complain is not about the level of perfection in the “messaging”. It’s that they are lazy shits. Or lazy shills.
If you went to one of them, you’d see that they’re not just focusing on him.
People out here complaining about these protests like it’s literally their job. Suspect.
Burning Man called. They want their gigantic strawman back.
Oh, so your argument wasn’t that people aren’t protesting correctly?
No, I was pointing out ineffective messaging and made the specific reasons clear.
Which you dumbed down to your own level of rhetorical competence and insight, I guess 🤷
Well that was unnecessarily hostile. Just more evidence that you’re arguing in good faith…
No, that was justifiably peeved since you’re still insisting on misrepresenting my clearly stated point.
If I was arguing in bad faith, I’d do something silly like reduce your argument to the most childishly simplified and egocentric possible interpretation and then insist on the accuracy of that after having the crux of the argument repeated just as clearly but more succinctly.
Sound familiar?
No one is glossing over that.
People need a face for an enemy. Nebulous constructs will not focus anger.
People need to be focused, that’s what this does
That’s just flat out false. The Dem leadership is still bending over backwards to make bipartisan deals with fascists who don’t negotiate in good faith and their messaging is all about messaging to almost-Trumpers about how HE is bad while not addressing the underlying problems. Some of which the Dems themselves are partly to blame for.
Yeah, that worked SUPER well when they lost to the most unqualified and personally repulsive person to ever run for president TWICE and only BARELY beat him while he was actively ignoring an ongoing pandemic 🙄
There’s nothing “nebulous” about concentration camps, systemic discrimination, complete subservience to a madman, and specific policy that is ruinous to regular people while further enriching the already extremely rich and powerful.
There’s SO much more than only Trump to focus on for the Dem leadership, which would be MUCH more effective in appealing to the actual concerns of regular people and thus increasing voter participation, which would doom the GOP to obscurity in a few cycles if done right.
Dude. Chill.
No one is glossing over it means we see it. Yes we know. Your ascribing malice to everyone pell neel without seeing that yep, the lawmakers are the issue, but the people aren’t b
We are fighting
We are not glossing anything over.
You cannot fight wars on multiple fronts we cannot focus on every single focus point it is not feasible
Trump is the head of the snake. Not the only snake, but right now he’s the head
Now focus. Stop panicking. Worked with each other. We need to stop letting the overwhelming amount of crap they are thwpring out there blind you
Remove trump, and it proves the people are in charge and we can remove anyone
See your listing the issues, that’s fine. But that doesn’t help focus
Part of the reason occupy Wall Street failed was a lack of focus, cohesion and unity. Infighting, separate agendas.
That’s what’s happening now, and your post is a symptom. You’re not stupid, hell your not wrong about any of those issues being important, but your running in circles trying to trying to stop a flood of water with buckets, when we just have to turn off the spout.
It’s hard to turn that spout and it won’t be done tomorrow, but if we focus, we can
I swear I think people’s egos just like to argue for the sake of argument and being intellectually “correct” rather than actually trying to understand the other person and their point of view. Reddit was especially awful with this, which was why I left.
Thank you for address their comment.
What a great analogy. You have a way with words
Did you go to the protests?
Edit: I’ll take the downvote as a no. So I’ll leave you with this: keep your doomer bullshit to yourself, shut the fuck up, and get out of the way.
Perfectly stated and I gotta quote you to another doomer in another thread.
Feel free, you’re more than welcome to.
It’s both human nature and the nature of protest. There’s a set theme or target and you rally around in. Protests aren’t actually places for nuisanced conversations about the specificities of who, what and where the problem is, they are ground swells to inspire, uplift and fight for change, it’s explicitly a “big picture” event, it’s not a discussion forum