• Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Democracy is when you prohibit everybody but voting except rich white slave owners!

      Reminder that our founding fathers broke off because of “taxation without representation” but then denied representation for most Americans.

      Women? “No say.” Black people? “Wait those are people?” Native Americans? “Sure they were here first but I have money.” Immigrants? “Why would I support new comers to this land my family has been here for 30 years!”

      We didn’t even used to vote for our senators, they were voted in by the state legislator, which you could vote for if your state allowed your kind to vote, but most places only allowed for certain people to vote.

      America pretends it was a democracy, when Musk and Trump just show it was all a show and it could be toppled over at any point. Most of the laws in place for offices of power were just codes of ethics with no punishment for violation. If you did break a law, the president has never really been checked, so just break more as they figure out what to do.

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      It was deeply flawed but it was a democracy nevertheless. It’s now a full authoritarian regime and you’ll get to realize what you’ve lost soon enough.

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        Nothing I wasn’t already losing through the systemic oppression that is the capitalist system and a hierarchical State that exists to maintains it.

        What? I’m gonna be poor and marginalized under a different system? Okay. Changes nothing for me. I’m still poor and struggling to maintain housing and eat a proper meal every day.

        The only people losing anything are the middle class who still think that the system isn’t already exploiting them and fail to understand that what is happening is the inevitable conclusion to the society we built.

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          This is so god damn egocentric, I hope you’re not more than 14. Tell me you’re a privilege ass without telling me you’re a privilege ass.

          You will loose nothing? Good for you because:

          • Trans people lost the right to exist.
          • Indigenous people have been made invisible again
          • Immigrants are deported into camps
          • Women lost control over their own bodies
          • Minorities lost their rights
          • Groenland lost it’s security
          • Canada has it independence theaten.
          • The pollution level will rise 10x faster all over the world.
          • 1000x more examples like this

          That’s not even 1 month in. You want to play the victim, just wait to see when you’ll become one for real.

          Yes capitalism is cruel and unfair system. But the US just blew up any chance they had to ever replace it by something better or simply to make it a little less unfair. Your country will be rule by fascist dictators for decades because of childish, selfish little people like you who are incapable of intellectual nuance.

  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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    Democracy is inherently tied to progress.

    I’m considering that progress on Earth will slow down or come to a halt in the long-term, thus taking away Democracy with it.

    I believe that Space Flight is the only viable option for long-term progress, and that it will bring Democracy with it. That is actually the major reason why i’m looking forward to Mars Settlement projects.

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      Can you connect the dots between democracy and progress? Do nondemocratic places just steal ideas from democratic ones in your worldview?

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        I think it comes down to the definition of democracy. I read somewhere, that while universally understood, democracy is actually surprisingly difficult to define. It’s not just about the votes.

        It’s also about having good and solid news, education, and being reasonable (instead of being egoistic).

        Now, these are all qualities that are favored in a system that is targeted towards growth. When you need to build a city, you need to be reasonable, make good assessments, be educated, and communicate clearly, to be able to pull it off. In the absence of these demands, these skills would crumble and vanish. That is why a democracy is surprisingly difficult to sustain when there’s no economic drivers behind it. That is, in short, my argument.

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      Using first-past-the-post and giving a president too much power is fragile, yes.

      Proportional election and a president with much less power is far safer. Some stuff takes a while to become a law, but at least it’ll be an actual agreement instead of an order.

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      Harris actually got more votes than Biden in most of the key swing states. Can we stop this narrative of blaming anyone other than the tens of millions that actually picked Trump?

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        Nope. Because I do blame the third party / uncommitted crowd for sowing division, doubt, and getting in the way. We were in a burning building, and those groups were blocking the fire exits.

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          If everyone of them voted for Harris, she would have still lost. The only “voting bloc” if you can call it that matters was the non-voters, and you get them interested by offering policies that voters find good.

          Harris wasn’t doing that. She said “I won’t pivot from Biden” and talked about having Republicans in her cabinet. Harris was showing off how she got the Cheney family on her side, the political family who helped orchestrate the war on terror.

          If you’re unsure, you see a Democrat trying to be a Republican, and you see a Republican. One is clearly better than the other in that Harris wasn’t going to instantly install autocrats like Musk.

          That was my default answer, “I dont like Harris in everything, but I hate Trump. She can be talked to and reasoned with. Trump only listens to ass-kissers and money. I value my tongue more than I have money.”

          But for people who are focused on just trying to survive paycheck the paycheck, they don’t have time to see that. Especially since voting days aren’t time off for most Americans. You have to work to put food on the table, or spend time waiting in line to vote.

          I’m thankful I can get mail in ballots a month before the election. I can look at my local elections, my statewide referendums, and check if I agree and who’s paid for the advertising. Most states don’t have that “luxury”.

          I do blame them for not voting if they had an easy way of voting. Mail in, early voting on a weekend, requesting time off to vote. I don’t blame them for seeing that one party is trying to act like the other party from 2004 that became the fascist party in 2016.