I was happy Me Too was going on until I became a rapist/murderer/groomer by default. The sexism pendulum swings pretty wildly here. I just want a girl to reciprocate love and help with life but I can only find ones that are stuck in gender roles. I’m required to help clean but cutting the grass is a penis’ job. The mower starts with a key and you sit on it. It’s hot. I know. That’s why I want help. I don’t use my ball sack to shield me from the sun.
Wait what? The bear in the woods thing, all that talk about men being dangerous by default and manipulators was just right wing propaganda that women in my life repeated? And what didn’t actually happen? I’ve been in some pretty sexist one sided relationships where I’m the only one with requirements. I’m feeling like my lived experience is being invalidated by strangers on the internet so I’m going to need some clarity.
Group A: Many women have experienced mistreatment, and have been in some pretty one-sided relationships.
Group B: Many women perpetuate gender norms, and use them as an excuse to mistreat others.
Group C: Many men like you have experienced mistreatment, and been in some pretty one-sided relationships.
Group D: Many men perpetuate gender norms, and use them as an excuse to mistreat others.
Not all of these people are directly talking to each other, they’re talking to the whole world. These groups are not mutually exclusive, there’s a lot of overlap.
You can be in group C but not in Group D. Many men are in both. You can be in group A but not in group B. Many women are both.
You are getting angry at all of group A, because they are complaining about group D, because it makes you feel like they’re talking to you. Many of them can also be in group B, which muddies the waters.
I’m sorry if you’ve lived through mistreatment. It’s understandable to be angry about that. But try not to be angry at women who have also lived through mistreatment, just because other women have mistreated you.
They have the same challenge and responsibility - to try not to be angry at you, just because other men have mistreated them. Not all of them succeed. Not all men succeed.
Yes, you clearly didn’t understand what women were saying with the bear thing - they know what to expect when seeing a bear, a man could be anything - good guy, bad guy, or a bad guy that pretends to be a good guy initially before turning on them. They voted for the known quantity. The overwhelming majority were not saying all men were the bad guy, (and I’m sure you can find an example of someone saying anything somewhere).
And the right wing pushed that misinterpretation because it made young men angry and bitter and more likely to vote Republican as revenge or whatever
Look, I got on reddit back in 2010. I’ve seen a lot of propaganda campaigns. None of what you said sounds unlikely from the manosphere/Andrew Tate/Charlie Kirk types. Have any right wing groups been found to be pushing that? Google isn’t giving me anything and Claude, Gemini, and ChatGPT couldn’t give me anything either so I’m coming up empty. I’m at a loss for what to search for and the obvious terms aren’t giving me results. All I have are personal experiences that reinforce my feelings and what I’ve seen online. It would be absurd to expect someone who’s been abused to just make themselves vulnerable again based on someone’s word. Trusting peoples word is what gets us in these situations in the first place. I’m free now and I’m not going back without some sort of paper trail. Me too started in the early 2000’s and blew up in like 2017. Almost a decade has passed since 2017 so something has to have leaked or some kind of evidence of manipulation brought to light. Without that I can only assume those upvoted twoxchromosomes and witchesvspatriarchy comments back then reflected genuine feelings from the wider population. I learned the word “scrote” from those subs because I saw well upvoted comments use it.
I’m not a he-man woman hater. I’m a broken little boy entering middle age who’s been lied to, used, and abused. I have wonderful examples of women in my life but unfortunately they are outnumbered. I also can’t increase the amount of girl friends in my life because where the hell do middle aged men even go to make female friends? I don’t even know where to go to make male friends. It’s hard enough keeping the ones I have now going.
I was happy Me Too was going on until I became a rapist/murderer/groomer by default. The sexism pendulum swings pretty wildly here. I just want a girl to reciprocate love and help with life but I can only find ones that are stuck in gender roles. I’m required to help clean but cutting the grass is a penis’ job. The mower starts with a key and you sit on it. It’s hot. I know. That’s why I want help. I don’t use my ball sack to shield me from the sun.
That didn’t actually happen, and it’s the right wing that pushed the narrative that it had specifically to get you to remove your support.
Wait what? The bear in the woods thing, all that talk about men being dangerous by default and manipulators was just right wing propaganda that women in my life repeated? And what didn’t actually happen? I’ve been in some pretty sexist one sided relationships where I’m the only one with requirements. I’m feeling like my lived experience is being invalidated by strangers on the internet so I’m going to need some clarity.
The truth:
Group A: Many women have experienced mistreatment, and have been in some pretty one-sided relationships.
Group B: Many women perpetuate gender norms, and use them as an excuse to mistreat others.
Group C: Many men like you have experienced mistreatment, and been in some pretty one-sided relationships.
Group D: Many men perpetuate gender norms, and use them as an excuse to mistreat others.
Not all of these people are directly talking to each other, they’re talking to the whole world. These groups are not mutually exclusive, there’s a lot of overlap.
You can be in group C but not in Group D. Many men are in both. You can be in group A but not in group B. Many women are both.
You are getting angry at all of group A, because they are complaining about group D, because it makes you feel like they’re talking to you. Many of them can also be in group B, which muddies the waters.
I’m sorry if you’ve lived through mistreatment. It’s understandable to be angry about that. But try not to be angry at women who have also lived through mistreatment, just because other women have mistreated you.
They have the same challenge and responsibility - to try not to be angry at you, just because other men have mistreated them. Not all of them succeed. Not all men succeed.
It’s hard out here.
Yes, you clearly didn’t understand what women were saying with the bear thing - they know what to expect when seeing a bear, a man could be anything - good guy, bad guy, or a bad guy that pretends to be a good guy initially before turning on them. They voted for the known quantity. The overwhelming majority were not saying all men were the bad guy, (and I’m sure you can find an example of someone saying anything somewhere).
And the right wing pushed that misinterpretation because it made young men angry and bitter and more likely to vote Republican as revenge or whatever
Look, I got on reddit back in 2010. I’ve seen a lot of propaganda campaigns. None of what you said sounds unlikely from the manosphere/Andrew Tate/Charlie Kirk types. Have any right wing groups been found to be pushing that? Google isn’t giving me anything and Claude, Gemini, and ChatGPT couldn’t give me anything either so I’m coming up empty. I’m at a loss for what to search for and the obvious terms aren’t giving me results. All I have are personal experiences that reinforce my feelings and what I’ve seen online. It would be absurd to expect someone who’s been abused to just make themselves vulnerable again based on someone’s word. Trusting peoples word is what gets us in these situations in the first place. I’m free now and I’m not going back without some sort of paper trail. Me too started in the early 2000’s and blew up in like 2017. Almost a decade has passed since 2017 so something has to have leaked or some kind of evidence of manipulation brought to light. Without that I can only assume those upvoted twoxchromosomes and witchesvspatriarchy comments back then reflected genuine feelings from the wider population. I learned the word “scrote” from those subs because I saw well upvoted comments use it.
I’m not a he-man woman hater. I’m a broken little boy entering middle age who’s been lied to, used, and abused. I have wonderful examples of women in my life but unfortunately they are outnumbered. I also can’t increase the amount of girl friends in my life because where the hell do middle aged men even go to make female friends? I don’t even know where to go to make male friends. It’s hard enough keeping the ones I have now going.
When you hear talk of many men being dangerous manipulators and you assume they’re talking about you that speaks volumes about you.
I’m just going to assume this is an example of that wedge propaganda.