Where did you get the idea I hate/judge addicts? You made it up. You’re willing to wash away the ugliness that the disease of addiction is, and that’s a pretty bad thing to do.
I think they were ignoring the nuance which is that a good person could be a victim of a bad thing without it being their fault. Otherwise why say “it’s not a bad thing”?
Yes exactly. “It’s not a bad thing” to me sounds like “hey man drugs are cool (which I either believe or am so desperate to sound accepting, I don’t care how it comes across)”
They literally said “He’s just a drug addict (not a bad thing…)” which is very different from “It’s not a bad thing”. So in this context it is you putting words into their mouth. You read their comments wrong and applied your own meaning to it.
I’ll clarify for everyone who’s gotten this far down then and make it as straightforward as possible:
Musk should be hated for the things he’s done and the people he’s hurt in the world, not for his illicit drug use.
People wanting to conflate and jump on his drug use as if that explains everything awful he’s been doing are feeding into the idea that drugs make everyone crazy Nazi assholes somehow. That’s just not true. Drug use is awful for the people it affects and hurts, but it doesn’t reduce the value of a life, or turn people into Nazi assholes unless they were like that way all along.
We should call out Musk’s terrible ideals, his upbringing, his roots, his exploitation of billions of people in the world, his lack of empathy, his fraud, his market manipulation, his fucked up family views, his shitty fathering, etc. etc.
His drug use is only exacerbating that. It’s not the cause. The cause is he’s a truly fucking awful person who should stand trial for his crimes against humanity.
His abuse of Ketamine, E, Adderall, etc. is unrelated. We should not conflate those.
Musk should be hated for the things he’s done and the people he’s hurt in the world, not for his illicit drug use.
No one is denying that.
His abuse of Ketamine, E, Adderall, etc. is unrelated.
Nope, a shithead becoming more disconnected from reality becomes a bigger shithead every time. The people I knew who became more addicted became worse people. I no longer am friends with any of them except one.
I never once said I hated addicts, and I don’t. I pity them and the people in their lives who also suffer due to their addiction. I know multiple people dead from their addictions whose families are damaged for life.
I knew someone who got out of jail early after some felony drugs charges and he learned nothing. He said he was going to try and sell just the right amount to maintain a certain personal supply. I cannot setup myself up for the kind of disappointment that comes with that kind of friendship, so after being very understanding for years, writing letters to him in jail – I just cut ties. I later learned he became weirder and weirder. An Alex Jones nutbag, when he at least hid it before, if he always was one. The drug use getting worse is not unrelated. It’s obvious.
Where did you get the idea I hate/judge addicts? You made it up. You’re willing to wash away the ugliness that the disease of addiction is, and that’s a pretty bad thing to do.
I don’t believe they were projecting, so much as clarifying their original position.
Correct
I think they were ignoring the nuance which is that a good person could be a victim of a bad thing without it being their fault. Otherwise why say “it’s not a bad thing”?
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Addiction is the bad thing. Being an addict (victim) is not.
Yes exactly. “It’s not a bad thing” to me sounds like “hey man drugs are cool (which I either believe or am so desperate to sound accepting, I don’t care how it comes across)”
They literally said “He’s just a drug addict (not a bad thing…)” which is very different from “It’s not a bad thing”. So in this context it is you putting words into their mouth. You read their comments wrong and applied your own meaning to it.
They worded something weirdly, at best. But get all upset about it.
I’ll clarify for everyone who’s gotten this far down then and make it as straightforward as possible:
Musk should be hated for the things he’s done and the people he’s hurt in the world, not for his illicit drug use.
People wanting to conflate and jump on his drug use as if that explains everything awful he’s been doing are feeding into the idea that drugs make everyone crazy Nazi assholes somehow. That’s just not true. Drug use is awful for the people it affects and hurts, but it doesn’t reduce the value of a life, or turn people into Nazi assholes unless they were like that way all along.
We should call out Musk’s terrible ideals, his upbringing, his roots, his exploitation of billions of people in the world, his lack of empathy, his fraud, his market manipulation, his fucked up family views, his shitty fathering, etc. etc.
His drug use is only exacerbating that. It’s not the cause. The cause is he’s a truly fucking awful person who should stand trial for his crimes against humanity.
His abuse of Ketamine, E, Adderall, etc. is unrelated. We should not conflate those.
No one is denying that.
Nope, a shithead becoming more disconnected from reality becomes a bigger shithead every time. The people I knew who became more addicted became worse people. I no longer am friends with any of them except one.
I never once said I hated addicts, and I don’t. I pity them and the people in their lives who also suffer due to their addiction. I know multiple people dead from their addictions whose families are damaged for life.
I knew someone who got out of jail early after some felony drugs charges and he learned nothing. He said he was going to try and sell just the right amount to maintain a certain personal supply. I cannot setup myself up for the kind of disappointment that comes with that kind of friendship, so after being very understanding for years, writing letters to him in jail – I just cut ties. I later learned he became weirder and weirder. An Alex Jones nutbag, when he at least hid it before, if he always was one. The drug use getting worse is not unrelated. It’s obvious.