• IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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    I’ve been saying it for the past two US election cycles … the US is a one party state with two different organizations representing just one political party.

    The Chinese have the Chinese Communist Party

    Russia has a ruling class of Oligarchs

    The US has the Republican/Democrat Party

    All three operate in the same way

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      “The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.” - Julius Nyerere

      “ The United States effectively has a one-party system, the business party, with two factions, Republicans and Democrats.” - Noam Chomsky

      People have been saying it for decades and decades, if not a century or more.

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        Thanks for that … now I have credible references to attribute this thought.

        I knew it wasn’t smart enough to think this, it’s just haven’t read enough to know or see where others have said it before.

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            But I do recommend reading Chomsky. Or at least watching some lengthy YouTube videos of him speaking

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              I do watch and listen to a lot of Chomsky … but the guy has so much content, you’d have to relive his entire life to hear everything he said and read everything he ever wrote. The man is amazing. I just wish he were a lot younger than he is.

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        It’s all just a form of “divide and conquer.” Their tactics are plain to see if you are looking for them.

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      The Corporate Oligarchs are the common denominator between the GOP and Democrats. The Democrats, corporate beholden though they are, are preferable merely by not being fascists.

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        I think they have us stuck between the fire and the frying pan. Once in the frying pan, we are sooo glad not to be in the fire, and we get 4 more years of Dems, while the Republicans secretly march us closer to the cliff. Now their end game, Project 2025 is on fast track to actualization. The Dems make us lazy because we think they’ll help but they don’t. I feel like the Democrats hung us out to dry. I read in the New York Times, a Democrat suggested the best strategy for Trump was for the party to “roll over and play dead.” I translate that as, “the party doesn’t care.” Some party members like AOC show backbone, but the rest of them not so much.

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      This is literally the attitude that allowed the Nazis to take over the German government.

      They convinced people that the left and right coalitions that formed the Weimar government made it unstable, indecisive, and corrupt. That made people apathetic about supporting any party or vulnerable to the strong-man image the Nazis used to portray Hitler.

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        The common denominator to all these scenarios are the wealthy owner corporate class that discreetly shovel money towards the ones they want to win.

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          The common denominator is that the fascists sowed division so that there could be no unified opposition to them.

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            I mean the liberals did a pretty good job of sowing division by arming fascist paramilitaries, letting them assassinate socialist leaders with impunity, and running a conservative candidate. When liberals talk about unity, they mean u ifying with them, against the left.

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              Even if that were true, it all needs to be put aside to unify against the fascists. They pose an existential threat to democracy itself.

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                “I stand against fascism and want more rights for the common person.” “I am willing to aid fascists when it makes me money or helps win elections”

                Yeah let’s unite with them, surely nothing bad will happen.

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                    Except the conservative the liberals were supporting, Hindenburg, won without the socialists support, while the socialists ran their own guy with the slogan “a vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war”. And then Hindenburg put nazis in all the major positions of power, in the name of unity.

                    History shows us:

                    1. Liberalism creates the conditions for fascism
                    2. Liberals would rather work with fascists than socialists.
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      Nope, nope, nope. One is dismantling our government right now, stopping aid to the world, wanting to make GAZA into a resort, deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others, cutting medicaid, giving the wealthy more tax breaks and are generally racist af. The other is not doing any of those things.

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        The democrats excel at standing still, while the republicans always move right. They fit together like corporate peanut butter and jelly.

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          Rachet theory. R moves one direction; D refuses to move in the other.

          It’s not entirely false, but it’s also not the whole story. Voting D is better than staying home. It might not be better than direct action – but given the size of the voting window, it’s probably not completely eclipsed by your activism. (If it is, watch out for the FBI and keep working for a better world, comrade.)

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        Of course the Democratic Party wants to turn Gaza into a resort. Where have you been?

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          I love how a bunch of people who couldn’t point to Gaza in a map are making that their sole political concern.

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            The gaza otcomes broadly indicative of how the party functions.

            Beyond that, do you even realize that the gaza issue has almost single handedly destroyed the concept of the western world order?

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              Both parties have had the same policy on Gaza for decades, so I don’t see the relevance. It was just easier to ignore a slow genocide than a fast one.

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                Well if we are going to get a better outcome we’ll have to demand it. They dont just need donor money to win, they need votes.

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        The other is not doing any of those things.

        stopping aid to the world, wanting to make GAZA into a resort, deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others

        Respectfully, that may be your perception of the Biden administration but its mostly not true. Biden arguably did not cut medicaid or reduce taxes for the wealthy, but thats where your perceptions start running into facts that show differently than you’d think. This is also part of why everyone is mad at the DNC.

        1. stopping aid to the world: Biden stopped funding UNRWA in Jan 2024 after Israel accused the UN of being a Hamas organization and cited 12 names. They never provided any proof. Trump did go on to cut USAID funding. UNRWA operated in Jordan, Syria, Labanon, west jerusalem, gaza and the west bank.

        https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/us-unrwa-funding-already-halted-2024-not-by-trump-2025-order-2025-01-28/

        Furthermore, Bidens proposed 2025 budget would have made cuts to aid globally, including cuts to AIDS relief. It also proposed cuts to social security.

        https://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=how+much+aid+funding+did+biden+cut&oe=UTF-8

        1. wanting to make GAZA into a resort: Gaza was leveled under Bidens watch, and redevelopment plans were also underway on his watch. Trumps clownery was just a continuation.

        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68650815

        “Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront” from Mar 12 2024, on Bidens watch.

        They sold that gaza land off in real estate gatherings in New York, New Jersey and other US cities, which was blatently illegal and all done on Bidens watch, with him not lifting a finger to stop it.

        https://www.aljazeera.com/podcasts/2025/1/22/the-take-why-is-land-in-the-west-bank-being-sold-off-to-us-citizens

        1. deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others “No Fair Day: Damning New Report Reveals the Biden Administration’s Unlawful Treatment of Children in Immigration Courts” from Dec 14, 2023.

        https://law.ucla.edu/news/no-fair-day-damning-new-report-reveals-biden-administrations-unlawful-treatment-children-immigration-courts

        "Children make up a significant number of those facing removal proceedings. In the first five months of Fiscal Year 2022, almost one third of all new cases in immigration court involved children, including tens of thousands of children under the age of five. "

        In short, Biden was a bad democrat, and a bad human being. Always has been, but people saw what they wanted and respected the D by his name.

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      I’d rather have a one party state under a communist party than a two party state under two capitalist parties. In both cases it’s immediately obvious who these parties serve, in China, it’s the people and society, in the U.S., it’s the billionaires and capitalist class.

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      Yes, we have one party here. But so does America. Except, with typical extravagance, they have two of them!

      • Julius Nyerere, first Prime Minister / President of Tanzania

      (Actual attribution of this quote is possibly in dispute, but I’ve seen it many times)