We tried to warn you

  • Eldritch@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Yep an Administration is more than just the president. It’s the competent people that surround him. Instead of having a president suffering from lapses surrounded by some of the best most competent people. Now we have an idiot surrounded by sycophants and sociopaths. This is so much better/s

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      13 hours ago

      Yep an Administration is more than just the president. It’s the competent people that surround him.

      Yeah, having a bunch of anti-worker, pro-coporate, war-mongers led to people being desperate enough to vote for Trump. Maybe Biden should have done something about that when he had the chance, so that people wouldn’t be so disenfranchised with the Democrats that made Trump seem eligible.

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        8 hours ago

        Yes he should have I agree. But I also think that a lot of the people screeching about Gaza Etc should not have Amplified fascist talking points and made it worse. The fact that a lot of these people thought Trump was better than Biden simply because people weren’t talking about Trump being exactly the same or worse is just as damning as anything the Democrats did. And it’s pathetic to see so many of you try to shirk any blame for this and put it all on the democrats. They definitely deserve their fair share. But so do you all.

        • piefood@feddit.online
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          8 hours ago

          Which fascist talking points? That genocide is unpopular? That screwing over the working class was a bad idea? That alienating your voter-base during an election is a bad idea? That putting up a candidate that were in clear cognitive decline was a bad idea?

          If the Democrats had listened to us, instead of handing the election to Trump on a silver platter, we wouldn’t be where we are today. We spent all our time calling out Biden and the Democrats specfically to avoid getting Trump reelected. The Democratic leadership are the ones that told us to fuck off when we tried to get them to stop making obvious mistakes, and start running serious candidates.

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            7 hours ago

            It’s pretty sad if you don’t even know, Steve Bannon said it himself. Flood the zone. For any talk about the Republicans or Trump’s stance in particular. There were hundreds to thousands of more articles or news stories focusing only on Biden.

            It was ignorant, if not down right foolish to think that dog piling on the Democrats in the middle of a contentious election was going to change things for the better. We’ve got 50 plus years of evidence to the contrary. None of this is a defense of Democrats or an excuse. They all need to be replaced. Democrats and Republicans and ultimately all national parties need to be outlawed and dissolved. But the left needs to do better, and focus on things other than Purity tests. When both options are shitty we need to stop effectively aiding the shittiest.

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              7 hours ago

              Running unpopular candidates with unpopular positions is a bad idea. And being unwilling to call the DNC out for it is why we got such terrible candidates. Biden was the Emperor with New Clothes, and everyone could clearly see that. To place the blame on those who wanted a candidate that was popular with voters, instead of a naked emperor is disingenuous.

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          24 hours ago

          You saw the party hide the mental decline of the guy with his finger on the nuclear button.

          That’s unacceptable under trump and unacceptable under biden. We can’t make that mistake again. Avoiding talking about it guarantees it will happen again.

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          19 hours ago

          If liberals can still bi**tch about Nader and Gore 25 years later I can be a little salty over a president that’s been gone 100 days. They lied about the mental capacity of someone that could start a nuclear war, they lied about wanting to protect the lives of Palestinians, and that’s just the lies they’ve been caught in

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            19 hours ago

            They lied about the mental capacity of someone that could start a nuclear war…

            Oh my God! Biden might fall asleep and rest his head on the big red button and start World War III! Thank God we now have a very stable genius who will start a nuclear war just because he thinks it will make him look tough.

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        That you think the two are remotely similar, shows how disingenuous you are. That you imply that this was unusual or even noteworthy at this point. Implies your ignorance of even relatively recent history. You do realize you’ve breached your instances echo chambers.

        I never actually advocated for either candidate. But we told you it was going to be a Democrat or Republican regardless of what we wanted. But people like yourself actively ignored what was actually on the ballot. Instead campaigning to assist the fascist. Which is unsurprising. Someone from a pro authoritarian instance feeling more comfortable getting a fellow authoritarian elected.

        We all want better. But we’ll never achieve it. Because so many of you fail to understand the basic assignment or options available. Doing more harm than good in all the uninformed flailing.

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          20 hours ago

          Liberals will never get anywhere until they realize their own party is complicit in that fascism. It didn’t happen in a vacuum. Fascism always is enabled by a weak, or perceived weak, liberal party.

          Liberals always claim they want better but they proceed to vote for the things that are preventing things from getting better. They’re the greatest enemies to progress, they talk as if they want change, but they demand things stay the same

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        some are definitely sycophants; but i think most are useful idiots and i think you’re seeing here how effectively they’re being redirected by shills and other idiots to the re-frame the discourse away from biden and onto trump; i hope you continue to persist despite their downvotes and their attempts to goad you into getting banned or making you turn away from your efforts.