In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

  • 3abas@lemm.ee
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    You’re rewriting history. People stayed home because they refused to vote for genocide, and that’s what Democrats offered unapologetically. You don’t get to blame the voter for not choosing between genocide or genocide plus, you’re not morally superior for voting for Harris.

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      Side note: while the Gaza genocide was absolutely a factor for many people, I really don’t think most of the voting base used that as the basis for their vote (or for staying home). Americans by and large have become wildly selfish and egocentric, as a society (and I say that as an American who does their best to be an outlier in that regard). I really do think that the biggest determinant of a person staying home was fatigue at the status quo, and a couple of years of 10% inflation alongside the fact that everyone in the DNC was trumpeting about how great the economy was doing, while a VERY large percentage of the populace had lived through at least two “once in a lifetime” economic crises, and the playing field continues to get visibly worse as time goes on.

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      Then vote for a third party, and make your voice heard. If 10% of the vote went to an anti-genocide party, at least next time Democrats would realise that being pro-genocide is bad for them.

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        Then vote for a third party, and make your voice heard. If 10% of the vote went to an anti-genocide party, at least next time Democrats would realise that being pro-genocide is bad for them.

        They already realize it and don’t care.

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      Yes I do. And yes I am.

      You said “I don’t care what the trolley does because this test isn’t moral”

      The rest of us actually made a choice.

      Get fucked. You helped put my trans son in danger and I don’t fuck with ANY of you fucks cosplaying as revolutionaries.

      You’re children.

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        I’m trans. I voted for Kamala, but I have zero hate on anyone who didn’t due to Gaza.

        The Democrat’s problem isn’t just Gaza. It’s what the enabling of a genocide signals and means. If you will enable a literal ethnic cleansing, what won’t you do? You’ve literally already elevated things to full-on Hitlerian levels. If you’re willing to do that for political power, there is nothing you won’t do.

        And as we’ve seen recently, Democrats have frequently thrown trans people under the bus. Even Kamala didn’t even try to refute the endless barrage of anti-trans ads thrown by the Republicans.

        When asked if she supported trans care for inmates, do you know what she said? She said, “we’ll follow the law.” She was defending her past actions as California attorney general to provide trans prisoners gender-affirming healthcare. But when given the perfect opportunity to stand up for trans people everywhere, she said that she only did it because it’s what the law required of her.

        Someone who actually gave a shit about trans lives would never say something like that. Instead they would say, “of fucking course prisoners get trans healthcare. Trans healthcare is medically-necessary care. It saves lives. To deny someone that care or to force them to detransition is literal torture. We sentence people to prison. We don’t sentence them to torture. We give inmates gender-affirming healthcare because to do otherwise is cruel and unusual punishment.”

        That’s how you actually answer that question if you have an ounce of empathy in your soul for trans people or any understanding of the issue at all. If you make trans care some frivolous thing that can be denied to prisoners, then all trans identities are frivolous and undeserving of legal recognition or respect in any context.

        And there are far worse Democrats than Kamala. Plenty of centrist Dems are willing to throw trans people under the bus if they can earn cheap political points. It turns out that if you’re willing to support a literal genocide, then persecuting a small minority group isn’t that big an ask. Once you’ve committed murder, shoplifting isn’t something you think twice about.

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        Quit using your trans son as an excuse, you supported a pro-genocide party because you were willing to trade the lives of innocent palestinians to secure your own security and comfort.

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          Quit assuming literally everyone who voted blue loooooves genocide.

          I’m sorry you don’t have a sense of nuance in your life. Must be easy having a black and white existence.

          Get fucked, kid.

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            There’s no nuance to be had, you’re comfortable trading the lives of countless palestinians for your own comfort and safety, it’s actually just that simple. You deserve Trump and worse.