• NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I would be sad about this, but I think I’ve used up all my sad, and now I’m just pissed. We could prevent all of this, but its gonna have to get really really bad before we drag our leaders out into the streets over this crap. It’s a sad day for our species, and barely anybody even notices.

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      We could prevent all of this, but its gonna have to get really really bad before we drag our leaders out into the streets over this crap.

      And it’s a one-way progression, so if we let it get to that point it’s going to stay at that point even after the leaders are gotten rid of. In order to actually solve the problem properly, we have to do it before it gets bad enough for normies to support it.

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        Well, fortunately Trump is doing a pretty good job at radicalizing everybody in the US (and outside the US) against the status quo/world order and those who uphold it.

        Hopefully we will never resort to that sort of violence to address our problems though.

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          Radicalizing… who exactly? I see some anemic little protests full of Americans who are unwilling to actually commit civil disobedience, let alone do something “radical.” I see people rolling over and taking it. Where are the “radicalized” people?

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            Funny, because I’ve been seeing some of the largest protests my city has seen in 20+ years

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              They are protesting, but are they committing disobedience? Would you picture any of those protests going crazy and throwing the governors out of the windows?

              I have seen a lot of +1 million protests in my country during my lifetime. None of them worked for anything.

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                I’m not saying revolution doesn’t work, historically it does. But your judgement is not very practical. If you act as an individual you get arrested for terrorism and the state charges you with the death penalty. You riot the state brings in the riot police to bash your face in. You truly revolt and they bring in the tanks and declare martial law. Martial law would greatly benefit the current administration.

                I don’t know how to get around these obstacles, and I suspect neither do you. I have a whole hell of a lot more respect for those that leave their homes to protest injustice than those that stay at home and do nothing other than critize people for trying. I don’t see you volunteering to fire the first shot in either my country or yours. So until you are ready to take that leap maybe don’t critize those trying to do something. Or come up with a criticism more constructive than “why don’t you just commit crimes and risk everything including your life”. That’s a lot to ask of anyone

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                  Sitting here posting like your entire country wasn’t founded on (and continues to LOUDLY congratulate itself for) risking everything to bring the fight to overwhelmingly powerful and oppressive forces.

                  Whatever the outcome of all this is, I never want to hear a word about your beloved fucking founding fathers again.

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                    When have I ever worshiped those slave owners?

                    Also very weird take. The revolution was started by the wealthy. It wasn’t some grassroots rebellion. It was backed by the authority of the individual colonial governments. So each state’s colonial government joined in to rebel. That’s a lot different than expecting some protesters to start a sustained rebellion.

                    To be clear my previous comment wasn’t talking about The American Revolution. It was talking about the general concept of revolutions. Historically they can work, but as I explained that’s a lofty thing to expect an individual to start

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            Just because protests aren’t being covered by the mainstream media doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And a significant portion of liberal spaces are becoming radical in sentiment, even if some are still constrained to hoping Bernie and AOC will save them in 2028. You aren’t going to hear me praise anything going on as being sufficient, though.

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      It’s a sad day for our species, and barely anybody even notices.

      It’s kinda like when you’re hungry and the hunger pains don’t go away until twenty minutes after you’ve started eating so you eat way too much.

      A lot of the major consequences aren’t here yet (enough that denial is still possible). People will notice after it’s already gotten really terrible and it’s beyond obvious that we should’ve done anything at any cost about it.

      Maybe when the arctic circle is springing up palm trees people will understand that it’s not a Chinese hoax.