• ProfHillbilly@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    ·
    9 hours ago

    You’re not wrong about the dishonesty and hypocrisy—it has poisoned the well across the board. A politician without red lines or real principles isn’t on the left, no matter what they call themselves.

    But where we differ is in how we respond to that reality. As much as I agree with your point, I have to take a more pragmatic view. Not voting against Trump is part of how we got Trump. Sitting it out or refusing to engage just hands power to the worst option.

    I hate the choices as much as anyone. It’s a shit sandwich. But I’d rather work with what I’ve got and try to make it suck less than give the whole table over to outright fascism.

    I’ll keep calling out the hypocrisy, and I’ll keep pushing from the left—but I won’t step aside and let something far worse win by default. Idealism has to live in the real world, or it ends up serving the very thing it claims to resist.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      17
      ·
      9 hours ago

      Chose a faker like AOC to be the Democrat candidate and you’re just switching the swindlers, thus maintaing the climated of “say one thing do something else” political dishonesty that leaves the door open for another Trump-like populist to win next time around.

      If I was an American in American I would be working my ass off in the Democrat Primaries and even at local level, including guerrila political propaganda tactics, to make sure that the real leftwingers were being pushed forwards in large numbers at that level and doing all I could to screw the AIPAC supported candidates, since continuing the Democract strategy of fielding liars and hypocrites is only going to make sure that the Trump problem happens again and again and again until one day one of them finally succeeds in becoming dictator for life.

      I mean, surelly Democrats learned from Trump’s second victory that “more of the same” isn’t a solution for far-right polulism.

      Right?!

      Right?!..

      • barneypiccolo@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 hours ago

        If you think AOC is a “faker” because of her position on a single issue, then you are just a MAGA propagandist.

      • ProfHillbilly@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        11
        ·
        8 hours ago

        I think you and I are going to have to just agree to disagree. I looked through your comments and it is clear the side you are on. You have a nice day.

        • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          8
          ·
          edit-2
          7 hours ago

          Only mindless tribalists have “sides” and think others are like that too.

          Having Principles, on the other hand, means having no “sacred cows” who are above criticism when their actual actions do not respect such principles.

          Tagging everybody who disagrees with their views with a “side” is how people who would otherwise be thinking individuals reduce themselves to easilly led muppets.