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Remove the state and federal incentives for marriage. The religious fucks care because they can’t comprehend marriage being a non-religious thing. But because there are real world advantages for being married, it creates a religious barrier that should be against the Constitution.
Most LGBTQ folks I know and have talked to don’t give a fuck what their acknowledged relationship is called as long as it’s recognized by the government for the incentives. If you remove all government incentives for married couples versus individuals, then the actual issue of citizens being denied rights based on religion goes away.
I don’t really agree with this. That could be how it is in your area, but in my area, a lot of LGBT people rather fancy getting married. I have seen two of my gay relatives get married, for instance. (Not to each other, mind you.) I wouldn’t mind getting married myself one day, but it’s not at the top of my list.
I think of it like this: I still do Christmas, even though I’m not religious – I was raised Jewish in fact – because it’s a secular holiday at this point. I think of marriage as a secular tradition.
So you’re saying they care about their recognized partnership being specifically referred to as “marriage” over everything else about the actual recognition and governmental benefits that governmental recognition gives them?
I think of marriage as a secular tradition.
I think most of us do, but enough of these fuckers don’t. They think of it as a religious thing deep in their core, and they have strong opinions based around that. My point is that it doesn’t really matter what it’s called, and since that seems to be one of the big hangups with many of the religious fuckers, “marriage” specifically being religious, just call it something else. What something is called is not the hill to die on with stupid people, and there’s enough of them that they can’t be ignored, so we work with what we have. Call it something else, get that new term recognized as an equal reference to marriage for benefits, and let’s finally fucking move on. Arguing with the religious about wording is a losing battle, many of them still think the Earth is like 5,000 years old and dinosaurs are fake. We’re losing a battle with idiots because we’re insisting on a specific terminology that they have a problem with.
I think perhaps the place we might agree is: rename marriage to civil union in law (and therefore there is no legal “marriage”.) Colloquially we’ll still call it marriage anyway and nobody can really stop that.
The Log Cabin Republicans would be OUTRAGED if This meant they ALSO couldn’t call Autistic Black Kids the N Word! FORTUNATELY that’s NOT the case!
