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    Their population is 135,000 as of 2018 according to Wikipedia. Although local populations ie in the Arabian Sea might be at risk having been genetically isolated for up to 70,000 years and in smaller numbers

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    Sorry for my ignorance, but why is this attributed to Star Trek? Because the show had a cultural impact, which helped conservation efforts? Or is it something that happened in the show, relevant to whales? (Nothing against Star Trek, of course.)

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      In one of the movies there is an alien spaceship that wants to communicate with the whales except they’re all extinct, for some reason the lack of the whales is causing all of the ships to shut, so the crew have to travel back in time to the 20th century to get a whale for the alien ship to communicate with.

      Yeah that was the plot, the original Star Trek movies were kind of bad really.

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        Nah, it wasn’t bad at all. The whale extinction plot was to raise awareness of the discovery of whale intelligence and to spark resistance against the immorality of whale hunting. Perhaps it was a little hamfisted, but Star Trek was always woke as hell.

        Star Trek has never shied away from telepathy, so it wasn’t much of a stretch to have the whales in contact with a powerful alien intelligence elsewhere in the galaxy. It wasn’t the lack of whales that caused ships to shut down and Earth’s weather to whip up hurricanes, but rather the overwhelming energy field of the probe the aliens sent to investigate the silence.

        All that and it somehow managed to showcase an absolute banger punk song raging against nuclear holocaust.

        And they made it a comedy.

        I love Star Trek IV.

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          Scotty picking up the mouse thinking it was a microphone was hilarious. Silly of course, and the fact he could type, well…

          But the whole movie was just fun.

          Hello Computer

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          I just watched it the other day. It still holds up. The parts in San Francisco is particularly ironic since that is the base of Starfleet in the future. I as a child watching it when it was released was made aware of extinction because of this movie. Sure it’s cheesy at times, that is not the goal. The goal was to make people aware while being entertained. It works.

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        How dare you! Wrath of Kahn was/is really good. Or fun. Or both.

        The first movie, oh god that was bad. But I would rather watch any of them (including the TNG ones which weren’t great) over the new ones. Now those are bad.

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          Have you seen the director’s cut of The Motion Picture? I think it’s pretty good. They were clearly influenced by 2001 Space Odyssey.

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            I have not but now that you mention it, and I knew the first release was rushed, I am intrigued.

            When I get a chance to watch a big screen TV I will give it a try!

            Thanks for posting.

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          What made Khan so great was…KKKKKHHHHHHAAAAAANNNNNNNN!!!

          Seriously, Khan was the perfect archenemy for Kirk. An over-acting bad guy vs. an over-acting good guy. Lots of hammy goodness.

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          I love that your esteem for the old movies has improved based on how bad the new ones are.

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        That’s just a normal Star Trek plot. Hell, that’s toned down for normies compared to half the stuff they get up to in any given series. At least it’s an alien looking probe and not a giant green hand or space Lincoln.

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              Oh right. This was the one where Scotty tries talking into a Mac mouse. And then after opening and closing a lot of windows, transparent aluminium! *Edit : spelling

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                And the computer was like oh I totally know what this arbitrary molecular structure you just programmed in is, and totally know its name, so I’ll just flash that up on the screen. Because that’s definitely how material science works.

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              Yeah, it’s one of those “it’s weird that it happened twice” situations. Not to mention TMP was just a mash up of The Changeling and One of Our Planets is Missing. At a certain point it feels like the characters should be asking each other why they keep experiencing the same situations over and over…

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        The plot was originally written as a plague that could only be cured with a plant that’s extinct, but they went with the whale plot because it’s more visual.

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      The plot of the fourth movie, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, is a slightly off the wall plot.

      A giant alien space probe arrives in orbit of Earth making weird noises, it sucks up all the power from ships in orbit and power grids on the surface and starts evaporating the oceans. Turns out it wants to talk to humpback whales, which in this timeline were hunted to extinction in the 20th century, so there are no humpback whales on earth for the probe to talk to, and it’s literally tearing up the oceans to find them.

      Meanwhile, Kirk and his crew of main characters are on Vulcan (Spock’s home planet) in possession of a stolen Klingon warship which they’ve been preparing for the flight back to Earth to face court martial, because of the events of the previous movie. They learn of the problem before they reach Earth, they figure out that the probe wants to talk to whales. “can we pretend to be whales?” “we can make the sounds, but we don’t speak the language.” So they just casually decide to time travel by doing a high speed lap of the sun. No shit they just fly really fast around the sun and arrive in the 1980’s, where it just so happens the Bay Aquarium has a breeding pair of captive humpback whales on display. Meanwhile, the trip through time ran them out of fuel. Cue a LucasArts style multi-problem plot where they have to figure out how to refuel their ship, modify it to carry humpback whales, find and acquire the whales, and then get back to the future.

      Spoiler alert: They do. They crash their ship into 23rd century San Fransisco bay and release the whales, which do this whole new age thing with the probe, which then goes “Understandable, have a nice day” sucks in its volleyball and floats away. Then that court martial scene which is actually part of the previous movie not this one ensues, where Kirk is punished with a reward.

      TL;DR the main plot of the fourth movie involves the Enterprise’s crew, but not the Enterprise, going back in time to bring humpback whales back from extinction.

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          Pretty sure they’re parodying Close Encounters of the Third Kind there. The one where an alien ship is approaching blasting out these tones, and Fry thinks he remembers it, they build this huge elaborate keyboard setup and Fry plays two notes on it and it turns out it’s Nibbler shenanigans? That’s parodying Close Encounters.

          I think I can almost recommend going and watching Star Trek IV on its own, the plot is mostly self-contained for being the third in a trilogy, but I think it does stand on its own. It also has a profoundly good soundtrack, like, even for Star Trek.

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        Ey there are still reruns on tv that I’ve never seen before. The captain Picard ones are my favourite.

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    Just because they’re better now doesn’t mean horrible people can’t destroy them more effectively the next time :/

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      Well…yes

      If your reaction to a meme about Scotty saving the whales is “but I can unsave them right now” I really think you might need some help. And not at killing whales. Like, emotionally.

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            Walter Koenig plays a telepath cop/internal affairs antagonist in Babylon 5. A masterful performance in showing off the inhumanity/monstrousness of clashing perspectives through a thoroughly unpleasant yet relatable character.

            His and Andreas Katsulas’ performances carry most of the series, and Katsulas’ heavy drama often counterbalanced with the lighter Peter Jurasik.

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              If I take a lamp, and shine it towards the wall, a bright spot will appear on the wall. The lamp is our search for truth, for understanding. Too often we assume that the light on the wall is God. But the light is not the goal of the search. It is the result of the search. The more intense the search, the brighter the light on the wall. The brighter the light on the wall, the greater the sense of revalation upon seeing it. Similarly, someone who does not search, who does not bring a lantern with him, sees nothing.

              What we perceive as God, is mearly the by-product of our search for God. It may simply be an appreciation of the light, put and unblemished, not understanding that it comes from us. Sometimes we stand in front of the light and assume we are the centre of the universe - God looks asstonishingly like we do. Or we turn to look at our shadow - and assume that all is darkness. If we allow ourselves to get in the way, we defeat the purpose. Which is to use the light of our search to illuminate the wall in all it’s beauty and in all its flaws, and in so doing better understand the world around us.

              The writing was superb as well.

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                Fine! Fine, stop twisting my arm, I’ll just have to rewatch it all again…

                (I typically do every couple years anyhow :p)