Homosexuality used to be classified as a mental illness too. Why couldn’t it be treated through therapy? Perhaps because in both cases conversion therapy: 1) doesn’t work 2) is insanely unethical and seeks to use science as a weapon to enforce conformity 3) does not actually advance the care of the individual.
A person with gender dysphoria can spend their entire life repressing it, battling against it, and not get to feel present in their own life. The so-called John 50s. Or they can be given hormones and ADDRESS the incongruence directly.
Look at the case of David Reimer for example. You cannot force someone to live in a gender role that was assigned to them if it doesn’t match who they are, whether it’s by man or by nature.
The reason you have to resort to strawmen is because the things you describe just don’t happen. So what difference does it make to you that the guy you walk past in the grocery store is trans? Same as the difference it makes to you that someone else is gay.
And what difference do you make to them?
You advance a world that’s hostile to them. You make their life harder. You make them into a group of people who need to win the right to exist.
I encourage you to reconsider your views, not from a place of picking holes in arguments, but from a place of love for your fellow man.
So basically everything that you said doesn’t address a single thing in my comment.
You’re simply Gish galloping at the moment going from one thing to the other.
Is there anything specifically you would like to address about my comment.
Specifically how the mental illness of gender dysphoria debunks the “I identify as” in the trans community in a relation to the comment that was responding to?
Also stop using the term straw man you don’t know what it means none of you know what it means most of the internet doesn’t know what it means you just heard it on some YouTube debunking videos.
Nope. It doesn’t debunk anything. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, yes, but it is not the same thing as being trans, it is a possible consequence of being trans .
Not everyone who’s trans has that mental illness, but I guess they share the feeling, that they don’t want to express the gender identity of their assigned gender very strongly. So your strawman of the person who does everything in their control to appear as a masculine manly-man and to fit a masculine sterotype, while they identify as a woman is highly unlikely.
I know perfectly well, what a straw man is. But I’m not gonna argue about it and leave the de-railing to you.
The point is, that your example is a made up fantasy, that never happened and you’re arguing against it to support your stance, while no one ever pleaded for that case. Doesn’t matter what we call it, it’s bullshit rhethoric either way. And it doesn’t make you look like someone who’s arguing in good faith.
Your news article also doesn’t support your fantasy. None of the people in this article are wearing flannel shirts or scraggly beards, basically it doesn’t tell us anything about the gender expression of these people at all. The only thing male about them is their genitalia (which is biological sex, not gender), and while I can understand, that this leads to confusion in an all naked spa, it is a completely different thing, than what you initially argued against.
Also your source is pretty obviously biased against trans people, their wording makes that clear.
Look up what gender dysphoria is, if you really want to understand what’s going on.
This is also the reason, why your completely made up example never happens.
The person in that example idientifies as a straw man, and nothing else.
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Homosexuality used to be classified as a mental illness too. Why couldn’t it be treated through therapy? Perhaps because in both cases conversion therapy: 1) doesn’t work 2) is insanely unethical and seeks to use science as a weapon to enforce conformity 3) does not actually advance the care of the individual.
A person with gender dysphoria can spend their entire life repressing it, battling against it, and not get to feel present in their own life. The so-called John 50s. Or they can be given hormones and ADDRESS the incongruence directly.
Look at the case of David Reimer for example. You cannot force someone to live in a gender role that was assigned to them if it doesn’t match who they are, whether it’s by man or by nature.
The reason you have to resort to strawmen is because the things you describe just don’t happen. So what difference does it make to you that the guy you walk past in the grocery store is trans? Same as the difference it makes to you that someone else is gay.
And what difference do you make to them? You advance a world that’s hostile to them. You make their life harder. You make them into a group of people who need to win the right to exist.
I encourage you to reconsider your views, not from a place of picking holes in arguments, but from a place of love for your fellow man.
So basically everything that you said doesn’t address a single thing in my comment.
You’re simply Gish galloping at the moment going from one thing to the other.
Is there anything specifically you would like to address about my comment.
Specifically how the mental illness of gender dysphoria debunks the “I identify as” in the trans community in a relation to the comment that was responding to?
Also stop using the term straw man you don’t know what it means none of you know what it means most of the internet doesn’t know what it means you just heard it on some YouTube debunking videos.
Nope. It doesn’t debunk anything. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, yes, but it is not the same thing as being trans, it is a possible consequence of being trans .
Not everyone who’s trans has that mental illness, but I guess they share the feeling, that they don’t want to express the gender identity of their assigned gender very strongly. So your strawman of the person who does everything in their control to appear as a masculine manly-man and to fit a masculine sterotype, while they identify as a woman is highly unlikely.
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I know perfectly well, what a straw man is. But I’m not gonna argue about it and leave the de-railing to you.
The point is, that your example is a made up fantasy, that never happened and you’re arguing against it to support your stance, while no one ever pleaded for that case. Doesn’t matter what we call it, it’s bullshit rhethoric either way. And it doesn’t make you look like someone who’s arguing in good faith.
Your news article also doesn’t support your fantasy. None of the people in this article are wearing flannel shirts or scraggly beards, basically it doesn’t tell us anything about the gender expression of these people at all. The only thing male about them is their genitalia (which is biological sex, not gender), and while I can understand, that this leads to confusion in an all naked spa, it is a completely different thing, than what you initially argued against.
Also your source is pretty obviously biased against trans people, their wording makes that clear.