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    hmm so death is an appropriate consequence for killing people, huh. so she’s admitting that Luigi allegedly delivered justice, actually.

    I think it’s inappropriate for a lawyer to use stage names though. I mean, Pam Bondi? come on.

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      pam, bondi who recieve releection bribe from trump to drop her case against him about trump university.

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        This is important. When Trump was starting his first run for president, he was fighting his many state lawsuits for his Trump University fraud. She was the Florida AG, and they were about to levy a $25 million fine against him. He had a meeting with her, he donated $25K to her reelection campaign, and she dropped the case, amd became a supporter.

        That let him know the kind of AG she was, so he gave her the Fed version. He WANTED a corrupt AG that he can bribe.

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    They’re sitting on a working class revolt powder keg and they just lit the match ….lol

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      The wealthy class in the US are heavily invested in military stocks. War benefits them, even if it’s civil war. This is probably intentional.

      Maybe I’m too cynical or giving them too much credit. Hope we find out

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        I expect more assassins targeting people who are not so high up on the facist totem pole. There was nothing special about Bryan Thompson, there are hundreds like him out in there. But he was high up enough for his death to matter. Honestly, he was like some dumb animal that got zapped climbing into a transformer.

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        You guys gotta realize that the military industrial complex and big Pharma and big oil are not big anymore. They’re not even as big as Facebook and Microsoft combined.

        Big tech is who you need to be afraid of at this point

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      The only way the current president can hang on for more than four years is to incite insurrection and then activate the insurrection act. All these ‘take it to the streets’ people might as well be shouting jump at a guy being pushed off a building.

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          I am pointing out that invoking the insurrection act is the next step toward an outright American dictatorship, just like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree

          I assume a full blown dictatorship is going to be harder to fight, which is based on history. Your useless pithy little platitude is encouraging the next step. “You’ll never know if you can fly until you JUMP! Just JUMP!” go to hell.

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              So you’re not even reading the words I’m saying? Do you just have a stack of these stupid one-line non-statements? Looking over your posting history it looks like you just want to shoot someone and are vapidly seeking an excuse to go run riot. Anarchy via armed idiots is very Jan 6 energy and will get you nowhere.

              Luigi tactics are effective and that scares the pee pee out of the people running this shit-show. Running around in the streets shooting at random plays directly into their intentions.

              Here let me pop out your next one-liner for you to save you some time; “I fully intend to throw the rabbit DIRECTLY into the Briar patch and if you disagree you’re a boot-sucking Nancy boy”

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                Luigi tactics are effective and that scares the pee pee out of the people running this shit-show

                if this is effective then yippee. i’m just tired of protests and all the other limp wristed leftist shit that never accomplishes anything. the entire history of civilization is built on dominance through force. i’m just trying to get people to realize that. if you don’t like it, then get fucked. you were never an ally to begin with.

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                  Oh so you’re eager to get to the part where the force starts happening REGARDLESS of timing or target? Gaza Oct 7th could tell you all about what happens when you march on a larger and more organized force without a backup or any plan for step 2; you lose and everyone you care about dies. That always seems like such a small price to pay for bloody minded sociopaths.

                  Don’t tell the little guy to punch the big guy 1:1 while you watch, you’re just looking for entertainment. You’re not a leader of men, you’re just another chunk of limpwrist shit telling people ‘lol go shoot someone or you’re a cuck coward’ with absolutely zero self awareness.

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          Treating the uncivilized with civility simply legitimizes them in their own eyes. Be civil to the civil, take the rest out back for whipping.

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      The working class in America are so docile and subdued at this point that they won’t notice when all this happens.

      Death penalty would take several years to happen and by then people will have forgotten. Only a couple of remaining groupies will make a fuss.

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      if the people (THAT’S YOU AND ME BTW) don’t make them regret this, then the bullies won and this shit is all over but the generations of endless suffering under their eternal dystopia.

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        Without social security, food stamps, labor protections of any kind, functioning schools, healthcare standards, housing security, environmental protections, veterans benefits, unions and with mass unemployment and a whole lot of guns…….things will deteriorate quickly

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      19 and 16 are “young” children? Not to mention the fact that he was separated from his wife and his contact with them was limited. Unlike with hundreds, if not thousands, of parents he killed with his policy of denying coverage.

      The obvious fellating of the ruling class by the mainstream media is annoying as fuck.

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        Nearly 26.6 million people in the U.S. rely on UnitedHealthcare Employer & Individual through insured and self-funded plans. In addition, we serve more than 7.5 million people with care and benefits services outside of the United States.

        Rather than hundreds to thousands, I’m going to go with thousands to tens of thousands.

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        How about a new rule… You don’t get to call them young children if you think that they are old enough to work long hours at a hazardous job without breaks, or that they are old enough (by 2 or more years!) to be married to a 60+ year old pervert. You lose all moral standing to call them “young children” if you do.

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          Well, yeah. But they’re not even bothering to pretend to be a separate Fourth Estate any more.

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      I guarantee as that piece of shit bled out on the sidewalk, the words “why me?” didn’t cross his minds. He knew what he did to deserve it. He did deserve it, as do countless other greedy mother fuckers who are ruining the world for personal gain.

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        If anything went through his head other than possibly a bullet, it would not shock me at all if “why me” or “what did I do to deserve this” was there. No one with intact empathy or a conscience could do what he did. If he was capable of recognizing his failings he wouldn’t have been willing to earn his wealth by stepping on the necks of the sick.

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      That’s crazy they can actually say that he was an innocent man and actually believe it. The level of mindfuckery required for that is absolutely unfathomable.

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    Whenever I think of the Dylan Roof incident.

    The death penalty isn’t a punishment, who really learns from it, the criminal? It’s a tool for society to remove what amounts to a defective person (not human, person). People are supposed to value the lives of other people by default. Any sustained deviation from this norm is a symptom of a person who cannot value life.

    Dylan Roof was given 1000s of opportunities to demonstrate that he did actually value life but because of his defective nature there was no choose but to remove him.

    “Life in prison” can be canceled/pardoned/changed, death cannot. That is why it’s near impossible to make it happen and even if it does, people spend the rest of their lives waiting for their “execution” (ftr Dylan is still alive at this time source).

    Now in what possible world would you be able to convince a jury of random peers, or judges with their heads actually screwed on tight, that a sample size of one murder proves that a person is defective.

    Genuine responses only:

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      The prosecutor claims that he endangered others around the victim. But if you watch the video you can tell he clearly was careful to not cause harm to anyone else. He could have bombed him, done a drive-by or any other method but he shot him with single shots at a close range. If they go for the death penalty he’ll walk.

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        Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I believe it was documented somewhere that the Shinzo Abe assassin made a similar choice so as not to harm innocent bystanders.

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        Unlike the serial killer Bryan Thompson who used indiscriminate means of murder which not only brutally killed his victims but destroyed their loved ones lives too with all of the collateral damage.

        Bryan Thompson is the mass murderer here, Luigi allegedly stopped the murderer in a way that put no one else at unnecessary risk.

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        "There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

        And if the out-group touches the in-group, the consequences shall be severe.

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      Unfortunately it feels like most IRL people I know have moved on from him 😔

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        Nah he’s still loved, I’ve seen Luigi prayer candles and grafitti plenty, he still receives massive amounts of fanmail. When the actual trial starts the fans will come out more.

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          I’ve genuinely considered getting a deny.defened.depose. tattoo but I think that’ll have to wait for a while considering where they are sending tattood people now.

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        This would be how you bring more attention to him than ever before. Also people are already really angry and prepared for violence if you look at the tesla fires. This would most certainly lead to a massive increase in militant action against companies, CEOs and politicians.

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          I can say from experience that in at least some corners of social media, (LW for example) the removal of “Luigi content” is strictly because a large amount of it is advocations of violence/murder/assasinaion.

          On many social media platforms, that type of content is against ToS because of the laws in the country that hosts the platform that the site is located in.

          It has little to do with personal opinion and everything to do with staying within the legal threshold of the region to avoid being shut down.

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    Whaaaaaaaaaaaat noooooooooooo, that can’t be right. Who other than every single person alive saw that coming?

    Hopefully, they will televise it and trump will say “You’re fired” right before they pull the switch. That would be on par with the shitshow circus we live in these days.

    Edit: added to the bit

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    It’s my understanding that this will make it far more difficult for them to get a conviction/verdict. Going for the death penalty has certain bars to hit during a trial by jury. It’s often why prosecutors go after lesser sentences on things people absolutely did the worse versions of. This gives them a much more likely guilty verdict from a jury.

    By doing this, they’re basically torpedoing the case, as I understand it.

    Purely to try and scare people/send a message.

    When he’s rendered a verdict of not-guilty for the crimes that would lead to the death penalty, but is guilty of something relatively trivial, like “owning an unregistered firearm”, this could come back to bite them in the ass.

    But who knows. I’ve been hoping for the judicial system to bite the ass of fascists for almost a decade now, without much luck.

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      Remember nothing about this will be a fair trial. This is going to be the most cooked trial you’ve ever seen in your life. Jurors will be downright threatened if not bribed.

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        I hope not, but yeah, I suspect this will be the case.

        The world is fucked, and this is a perfect microcosm of why.

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          That microcosm reflects the broader “This is terrible but i’m still too comfortable to do anything about it” mentality of the masses. The world is fucked and it’s all of our fault for letting a handful of people make things worse for all of us. We, including myself, are all guilty of this crime. We need to do something.

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        Idk man, while I agree, I think the trump trials before the elections was the lowest point.

        Homer voice: lowest point so far

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        Trial starts and it’s just trump in the jury box. Because executive powers are made up and laws don’t matter.

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      That’s true in state crimes, but federal prosecutions are actually very different.

      Federal prosecutors have a lot more room to argue and in general the court tends to favor the prosecution much more.

      The judge is responsible for sentencing (and Trump appointed a lot, guarantee he gets a Trump judge), while discovery is much more restrictive against the defendant.

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      Yep, I came to comment this. Honestly this could be pretty good news for player 2 - getting a jury to convict when the punishment is death will be much, much harder.

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    Oh just like how the American private health insurer confidence scheme seeks the death penalty when their customers marks actually need life saving healthcare and become a threat to the capitalist’s quarterly metastasis expectations.

    Neat.

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    There is no getting out of this fascist hellhole without mass protest, but if the ruling class wants to turn that into riots against the rich, ok then.

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    This you shall offer in the morning and this you shall offer in the evening, one lamb without blemish.

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      I personally find the Leviticus 16:10 scapegoat quote to be more appropriate:

      Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the Lord and offer it as a purification offering, but the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Azazel.

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        More workers than soldiers at this point

        I have a friend who studies behavior but applied to employment systems. Tons of research there on getting the most out of your employees. This sounds terrible when you first hear it right? But when you read it it’s about not burning out staff with reasonable quotas and demands, using positive reinforcement, building morale, etc. basically that you might decrease output slightly now but you’ll increase retention of the staff and the staff will overall be much more satisfied

        They reject this in basically every industry even though it’s evidence based. It’s easier to burn people out and churn through workers. Meanwhile humanity stays poor and miserable for the most part (aside from a small percentage that makes out like bandits)

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          Right? Tons of studies show that treating your employees well is way more profitable than treating them like shit. Even from a capitalist perspective, it’s stupid to not treat them well.

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            that assumes the point is something other than cruelty. the wealthy need us to suffer so that they can justify being wealthy as being a protection from suffering

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            Well it depends. If you want quality staff delivering quality service/making quality products then yes it is. You have to spend a ton of money onboarding and training them so burning them out is foolish because you just burn cash

            However, if you are fine with delivering a poor or mediocre service/product (the bare minimum), you can slash training and onboarding costs to the bare minimum. Your staff will be even more resentful because now they will struggle.

            But as long as you have a huge pool of workers clamoring for jobs you can keep this going and even do so with abusive conditions (demand 100% efficiency, constant overtime, insane quotas, etc). Just burn them out and when they crash pick another resume from the pile

            I was talking to someone the other day who works in the tech industry. They had a coworker who died on a Friday and they were replaced on a Monday. There was no fanfare or grieving. It was just “okay, that’s a bummer, here’s his replacement”

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            trader joes and costco treat thier employees well, i believe thats why its kinda hard to get jobs there. because people arnt leaving. WHolefoods was like that before amazon bought it.

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      In this case it’s just the rich punishing a plebeian for daring to challenge them, in the hopes of they make his punishment terrible enough everyone else will be too scared to rise up.

      But in answer to you astute observation that the ‘pro-life’ people love the death penalty, the reason is simple: to these people, being ‘bad’ isn’t something you do, it’s something you are.

      So to them it’s not a break in internal logic at all. They gave the pure, innocent baby a chance, but they turned out to be a Bad Person, so they must be punished, because that’s what you deserve for being a Bad Person.

      This is why they favor punitive jailing and killing criminals instead of trying to reform criminals; criminals are Bad, and so they will always do Bad Things.

      It’s also why they do stuff like try to get rid of abortion. If a woman got pregnant from ‘sleeping around’ then she’s a Bad Person and deserves to be punished by carrying the child to term.

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        To further your point, this is how shit like Al Franken happens.

        In general conservatives see themselves as generally good people who occasionally do bad things but it’s okay because that’s still a good person who has good intentions. Whereas in their eyes people who are in out groups are bad people who are always going to do bad things no matter what because they have bad intentions.

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            He was quickly ousted from his position as a popular and respected Minnesota senator during early #metoo, for accusations that you’d never imagine a Republican resigning over, allegations in fact that have failed to take out other more core-party Democrats (Andrew Cuomo comes to mind, he still has a millionaire warchest and is running for NYC mayor this year with full support of the DNC). Democrats fall easily for the virtue olympics.

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        It’s a perversion of Christianity.

        God can commit genocide and torture because His actions are beyond human understanding. God is the creator of Goodness, so every action he does is Good by design. I personally view God only as Good because he is powerful, but I view Jesus as Good in a more genuine and human way.

        The powerful like to take the parts of religion that allow them to live in a simplified world. A world in which they are Good, like God, not by action but by power and nature.

        They forget that sinning applies to the powerful, just like it applies to the weak. Everyone deserves to be forgiven in Christianity, but only after you’ve paid for your sins. People like the “being forgiven” part, but not begging for forgiveness in a brown sack covered in ashes part.

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        They need an excuse to cover up their real reason: that they think peasants have a duty to breed for the state.

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    How to make a martyr in 180 days?

    It’s really crazy we are literally living in a new type of world.

    The wealthy ARE the powerful, but the rest of us out number them to such grand extent that the only way they can remain wealthy is through fear and murder.

    There is no war but class war.

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      They did this to the anarchist assassins (And accused assassins) in the 1930s, too. Started summarily deporting people en masse for their beliefs or presumed beliefs, and executing people after brief appearances in kangaroo courts. Honestly if Germany hadn’t gone Nazi and basically dragged the us into a war with them, we would have done it instead.

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      No they can remain wealthy by being wealthy and enjoying their wealth and not obsessively doing everything possible to ratfuck everyone else with their wealth.

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    He should run for congress because there are no consequences for crime if you get elected before the justice system has time to convict