As someone who said this when they were younger
“Uninformed idiot”
now that I’m older I’m fully liberal since i am more informed.
But don’t you know? YoU’Ll gEt mOrE cOnSeRvAtIvE aS yOu AgE! Biggest fucking lie of my life.
Same here.
I think they’re a goddamn idiot. I like it more when people tell me that they don’t have enough time to think about this shit and so they don’t have an opinion.
“I believe good things but don’t want to actually sacrifice anything or be responsible for any of my actions that my prevent good things from happening”
Someone who is a conservative who has a gay friend or a gay kid that they love and accept.
Barely even that. Someone who likes marijuana is more likely.
I’ll agree with this too.
“I vote Republican, but I’m self-aware enough to know that I should be embarrassed about it.” (In the US)
I’ve heard it more the exact opposite way. “I vote Democrat but I am really tired liberals doing nothing to curb government corruption or tax the rich more.”
Eliminating corruption is not “fiscally conservative,” it’s just fiscally responsible. Same with taxing the rich.
Yeah. A lot of folks I’ve met view it as fiscally conservative though.
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“We should run the government like a business!”
Then why cut revenue as soon as you take power?
So many people with such brutal takes on it – helps to quantify who the audience is on lemmy I guess.
Socially liberal fiscally conservative, to me at least, means that the person is in favour of equality in the sense of equality of treatment from the government, but is not in favour of additional big spending projects to try and have equality of opportunity. They’re pro-choice, but likely against the government funnelling money into providing abortions for women (so abortions available, but not gov subsidized). They’re pro-trans rights in terms of being fine with whoever doing whatever they want with their body/partners of choice, but against government paying for trans-specific gender affirming procedures and parades to highlight those groups. They’re in favour of things like universal medicare/dental care, because those programs are shown to be a net benefit fiscally and socially.
In general, they support socially progressive ideas, so long as they’re fiscally costed out and beneficial to the public purse. They’re against increased government spending / reach, preferring ‘small government’, with the social components placed more on individuals to fund directly.
They’re in favour of things like universal medicare/dental care, because those programs are shown to be a net benefit fiscally and socially.
I’ve never met someone who was “socially liberal fiscally conservative” who believed this.
They’re usually pro good things, but they don’t want to pay for them, so they’re not actually pro those things at all.
“Small government” and “private individuals will handle it” typically means it just won’t happen.
For starters, the question wasn’t, as far as I know, asking how the ideology / stance fairs in terms of implementation / reality. Like you can give a description of what a communist believes, without having to try and explain Communist Russia / China.
In terms of medicare/dental care, yes, there are soc lib fisc con people that do believe that. Likely not people in the USA, where everything skews right wing – their soc lib is more like “I have a black friend! I’m not racist!”. In more sane countries, there are a good number of people who fall into that ideological mindset, who do support public utilities/health initiatives – it’s pretty common here in Canada, based on people I’ve spoken with.
Like a soc lib fisc con person I know, has previously suggested that we ought to change how roads / cars are handled – arguing that cities shouldn’t have anywhere near as many cars, and that common “paved” roads should be essentially relegated to highways/freeways due to the cost and ecological impact. In their take, city budgets are often bloated by road repair costs due to the over-engineering of what’s required for regular residential activity. Using other road materials would dramatically increase sustainability – and even if it results in more ‘maintenance’ cost/road tolls for car users who still insist on using cars, that’s up to the consumer. I don’t know if they were talking nonsense, but that’s the sort of thing I sometimes hear people in the soc lib fisc con camp say.
I suppose you this touches on how I’m in the US, where everything is skewed towards insane nonsense. It would be extremely unusual to find a conservative of any sort here that would support anything remotely anti-car, for example. Even if it would save money.
Yeah, it’s not too surprising that it’ll have slightly different contexts in different regions.
“I don’t care about minorities enough to sacrifice anything about my way of living.”
“I’m a republican, and I will consistently, and wrongly, vote in what I think are the best interests of my wallet while paying lip service to liberal social ideals. “
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Either “I hate poor people but I love weed” or “I’m lying because my actual views would scare people off”.
I like weed but hate taxes.
Okay… I hate taxes too, but how else do you propose we pay for things like roads?
That’s that the position for American libertarianism’s.
I don’t particularly hate taxes because I like my government services well funded.
Usually they are lying. It means they hate poor people.
They want to virtue signal trivial social issues to avoid admitting they’re just plain conservative.
As someone who has used the term before.
Social liberal: I think you should be able to do whatever you want in your personal life, even if it harms yourself. I’m willing to negotiate with harming consenting adults while recognizing the possibility, even likelihood, of an imbalance of power making it difficult to properly give consent, or for it to be recognized by the public at large, e.g., maybe Amazon workers aren’t really okay with peeing in bottles because they don’t have enough time or facilities for bathroom breaks, just because they accepted the job. Doing things that harm those you have guardianship over is not acceptable because they are not in a position to give consent.
Fiscal conservative: I want money in the public trust to be spent effectively. This doesn’t mean I want less taxes, I’m in fact okay with more. A city near me has 30% of its budget dedicated to police services, yet we have some of the highest violent crime in Canada. The simple fact is, a lot of crime is driven by poverty and lack of opportunity. So why are we paying to catch and jail poor people with no skills who are trying to survive and not paying for skills training, robust childhood education, and at least minimal supports so people don’t have to be desperate enough to risk their lives and mine so they can survive? It doesn’t make sense and there’s no indication it’s working. FYI, school meal programs tend to help the local economy to the tune of about $7 for every $1 you spend on them. That sounds terribly fiscally responsible to me…
100%. I want to loudly point out that you saying ‘jailing poor people not isn’t fiscally responsible and doesn’t benefit society, the money would be better spent giving people a better shot at success’ is a great example of social liberal (make society better) and fiscal conservative (don’t spend money on stupid things).
Nothing about what you describe has even the slightest thing to do with conservatism though, so I don’t know why you would describe that as being “fiscal conservative”.
One of the definitions of conservative is cautious or restrained. How is not spending money in a risky way not conservative? How is making choices based on evidence from other experiences not conservative? How is not spending money and letting physical and social structures that are serving you well decay conservative?
Maybe not what it means currently in America. But in general it sounds fiscally conservative to me.
But if we didn’t criminalize poor people, how well we justify spending billions on privately owned for profit prisons!?! You didn’t think of the stock holders! /s
By chance are you talking about Surrey BC?
Afraid not.
I hear a closeted MAGA.
You need to get your hearing checked.
“Sure the problems are bad, but the causes? The causes are good.”
“But in practice, I almost certainly vote Republican.”
“I’m a dumbass who’s too embarrassed to say I vote Republican.”
“My definition of socially liberal is I don’t think gay people belong in death camps, per se.”
Just hidden away, out of view, in some closet…
Basically: “sToP sHoVinG yOuR gAYnEsS dOwn mY tHrOat!”
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