Season 1 was way better than I ever expected it to be. Idk your reasons for disliking it, but I thought it did a good job representing the game. There’s been plenty of terrible adaptations of games to movies or shows and I don’t consider this one of them.
I didn’t expect much and was still disappointed, didn’t make it past episode 4 or 5. Production value was great, everything looked good and was a reasonable representation of the setting and aesthetics of the games, but the plot and behavior of the characters was routinely just immersion-ruiningly stupid and made no goddamn sense. I understand not everyone finds that to be as much of a deal breaker though, so it’s not something I’m giving anybody else shit for enjoying, but I have no reason not to expect that their contributions to the lore will also make no sense.
I won’t say these kinds of characters were inevitable, but they were inevitable from a company that wants the product to appeal to the common denominator.
Same and it was my first Fallout game lol, the gameplay and setting are great but the actual story is kinda dogshit, better than FO4 but that’s an incredibly low bar
It’s possible to love New Vegas the game, but not the show. It’s a matter of what you’re looking for.
I would be interested in a series that takes inspiration from the setting, atmosphere and spirit of productions like A Boy and his Dog, Neon City, Mad Max 2, works by Albert Pyun (Radioactive Dreams, Cyborg, Knights, Omega Doom) and Italian 80s post-apocalyptic movies (e.g. 2019: After the Fall of New York) if we are talking about older movies.
For newer productions, the new Mad Max films, Turbo Kid, The Divide also reflect what I would expect from a Fallout series.
An independent DIY spirit, a b-movie aesthetic, lots of gore and guts, but also subtlety and nuance.
Check out the no mutants allowed forums. There are a shockingly large amount of “fans” who hate a majority of the games. None of them like more than 3 games, most only one or two, and they all hate the show. But none of them can articulate why or what is getting ruined. They can’t give any specific examples, either. They just all complain that they’re ruining everything and pat each other on the back without ever saying anything.
They use puppets for crying out loud. How much B-movie do you need? And yeah the politics are pretty blatant of what led to the end, but there was definitely nuance to what happened after. I thought it was pretty clear that after the bombs fell, you have to do whatever it takes to survive. And one character became that life, another grew up that life, while another is just now learning that life. I’d say that’s pretty nuanced.
And the naivety of Lucy is always contrasted by a more down to earth character with more experience.
The political messaging was comically weak; almost makes one wonder if there is some self-censorship going on, although it’s much more likely that they just don’t give a fuck. It’s like in the Alien: Earth show with the contrived presentation of the billionaire bro. It is so stupid. Sometimes subtlety works a lot better in highlighting a message.
I felt that it was too well packaged and slick.
And one character became that life, another grew up that life, while another is just now learning that life.
This is one example. It feels like they wanted broad coverage by trying to include a character that appeals to different elements of the market. I would prefer something a bit less by the book.
Something crazy, more fucked up, but also with satirical comedy (but not in the obvious way). More inspiration from Italian 80s post-apocalyptic movies and Albert Pyun.
Does this look anything remotely like the Fallout show?
And this is only the aesthetics and atmosphere. I haven’t really touched upon other areas.
I am not saying you or anyone else can’t enjoy the show, but it’s not unreasonable for someone who enjoys New Vegas to not like the show. That’s all I am saying.
I watched the first few episodes, it was pretty but stupid. The game had all sorts of shit that didn’t make sense but I always had the option to ignore it and go do something else because it’s a game, in a fixed perspective narrative experience like a TV series there’s no choice but to stare straight into the stupid or stop watching, so I stopped watching.
My opinion is the norm. It’s backed up by critics and fans. I want to know what specifically this person has against the show, because it seems like some fans just love to hate regardless of quality.
It’s just strange, it feels like you’re approaching this with some weird hostility rather than just being genuinely curious about what they don’t like.
It feels like you’re trying to figure out if they have a good enough reason to be allowed to not like the show that you do. 🤷♂️
The show is sloppy with the lore. The only hint of a prewar faction other than America is the crashed USSR satellite. Which kinda implies a Russian role in the conflict leading to the Great War (it was the US vs China).
The prewar conflict is retconned to be a Cold War Communism vs Capitalism situation, when the war was spurred by global resource shortages and inflation.
There’s no hint of organized civilization in an area previously occupied by a state so large that it was building railroads, manufacturing concrete and weapons, and expanding East.
Not that they can’t retcon some stuff in Season 2, but they did say that every faction will think they “won New Vegas.” That could mean many different things, but given how devastated all the factions you don’t side with after NV are, none of them seem like particularly well-considered decisions to me.
I enjoyed the world that Fallout built on the West Coast, which was at that point just a modern society. The show scrapped it to present a total wasteland, when there are so many new settings already alluded to in the lore.
“Edgy” lol I literally just said I don’t like the show, you’re clearly feeling insecure about your media preferences and I’m 100% not going to help with that so you should probably run away now
But what about the show didn’t you like? Fallout fans love shitting on any new fallout stuff. I totally get shitting on 4 for certain (a lot of) things, but the show?!? Really? And I’ve never seen someone say anything specific that they don’t like.
u dont like new vegas?
I love New Vegas, passing on the show and anything it has to say about the game
Season 1 was way better than I ever expected it to be. Idk your reasons for disliking it, but I thought it did a good job representing the game. There’s been plenty of terrible adaptations of games to movies or shows and I don’t consider this one of them.
I didn’t expect much and was still disappointed, didn’t make it past episode 4 or 5. Production value was great, everything looked good and was a reasonable representation of the setting and aesthetics of the games, but the plot and behavior of the characters was routinely just immersion-ruiningly stupid and made no goddamn sense. I understand not everyone finds that to be as much of a deal breaker though, so it’s not something I’m giving anybody else shit for enjoying, but I have no reason not to expect that their contributions to the lore will also make no sense.
I won’t say these kinds of characters were inevitable, but they were inevitable from a company that wants the product to appeal to the common denominator.
Oh, you didn’t finish it? Lucy’s dad nuked Shady Sands because his wife left him.
Yeah, that’s pretty fucking dumb
Honestly, I liked it. I didn’t think I would, but it captures the spirit of the games pretty well.
The spirit & aesthetic of the games was reasonably represented, just not enough for me to like the story
Fair. I feel the same about Fallout 3 tbh.
Same and it was my first Fallout game lol, the gameplay and setting are great but the actual story is kinda dogshit, better than FO4 but that’s an incredibly low bar
i dont get it. the show is in new vegas, but you say you love new vegas but wont watch the show? it just doesnt make sense
It’s possible to love New Vegas the game, but not the show. It’s a matter of what you’re looking for.
I would be interested in a series that takes inspiration from the setting, atmosphere and spirit of productions like A Boy and his Dog, Neon City, Mad Max 2, works by Albert Pyun (Radioactive Dreams, Cyborg, Knights, Omega Doom) and Italian 80s post-apocalyptic movies (e.g. 2019: After the Fall of New York) if we are talking about older movies.
For newer productions, the new Mad Max films, Turbo Kid, The Divide also reflect what I would expect from a Fallout series.
An independent DIY spirit, a b-movie aesthetic, lots of gore and guts, but also subtlety and nuance.
That’s clearly not what the show is aiming for.
Are you not able to enjoy something just because it’s not exactly like the game? Talk about a tough crowd.
Not at all. I never mentioned anything about the show needing to be exactly like the game.
If anything I was referring to the general aesthetic, world building and tone of the presentation.
I would be fine with a loose adaption as long as it wasn’t generic and the writing wasn’t primitive.
Check out the no mutants allowed forums. There are a shockingly large amount of “fans” who hate a majority of the games. None of them like more than 3 games, most only one or two, and they all hate the show. But none of them can articulate why or what is getting ruined. They can’t give any specific examples, either. They just all complain that they’re ruining everything and pat each other on the back without ever saying anything.
That’s not true at all. I provided some context around why I think the show is not interesting:
I also didn’t mention anything about the show ruining anything. I was merely explaining why I like New Vegas and I find the show to be subpar.
They use puppets for crying out loud. How much B-movie do you need? And yeah the politics are pretty blatant of what led to the end, but there was definitely nuance to what happened after. I thought it was pretty clear that after the bombs fell, you have to do whatever it takes to survive. And one character became that life, another grew up that life, while another is just now learning that life. I’d say that’s pretty nuanced.
And the naivety of Lucy is always contrasted by a more down to earth character with more experience.
The political messaging was comically weak; almost makes one wonder if there is some self-censorship going on, although it’s much more likely that they just don’t give a fuck. It’s like in the Alien: Earth show with the contrived presentation of the billionaire bro. It is so stupid. Sometimes subtlety works a lot better in highlighting a message.
I felt that it was too well packaged and slick.
This is one example. It feels like they wanted broad coverage by trying to include a character that appeals to different elements of the market. I would prefer something a bit less by the book.
Something crazy, more fucked up, but also with satirical comedy (but not in the obvious way). More inspiration from Italian 80s post-apocalyptic movies and Albert Pyun.
Just look at the trailer for 2019: After the Fall of New York.
As I said, I don’t mind people loving the show. I expected it to be not for me and that’s fine.
My issue is with people saying that you can’t enjoy New Vegas and dislike the show.
Tons of them can and do articulate exactly what they dislike about the show, you are either illiterate or lying
i fail to see how that isnt what the show is aiming for
Look at the trailers for Turbo Kid and Neon City:
Does this look anything remotely like the Fallout show?
And this is only the aesthetics and atmosphere. I haven’t really touched upon other areas.
I am not saying you or anyone else can’t enjoy the show, but it’s not unreasonable for someone who enjoys New Vegas to not like the show. That’s all I am saying.
I watched the first few episodes, it was pretty but stupid. The game had all sorts of shit that didn’t make sense but I always had the option to ignore it and go do something else because it’s a game, in a fixed perspective narrative experience like a TV series there’s no choice but to stare straight into the stupid or stop watching, so I stopped watching.
Just like the game, you kinda have to get to the end to figure out stuff. But what specifically didn’t make sense? Maybe I can help you figure it out.
I am 100% sure you’ve never helped anyone figure a thing out in your entire life
Ooh everyone! Check out how edgy this guy is! He’s probably on NMA, where nobody is allowed to like more than one game.
People are allowed to not like things dude
Yeah, and a lot of people turn that into their entire personality.
The person you’re replying to, in the comment you’re replying to, said they love New Vegas, so clearly not their whole personality.
Are you sure you don’t just dislike the fact that they don’t like the show? How do you feel about the show?
My opinion is the norm. It’s backed up by critics and fans. I want to know what specifically this person has against the show, because it seems like some fans just love to hate regardless of quality.
It’s just strange, it feels like you’re approaching this with some weird hostility rather than just being genuinely curious about what they don’t like.
It feels like you’re trying to figure out if they have a good enough reason to be allowed to not like the show that you do. 🤷♂️
You don’t think it’s weird that the haters can never explain why?
Have you considered that your opinion is the norm because they appealed to mainstream instead of a core audience?
Art that tries to appeal to everyone will inevitably alienate some people.
Lol cope, Trump got elected twice just because something is popular doesn’t mean it isn’t trash
The show is sloppy with the lore. The only hint of a prewar faction other than America is the crashed USSR satellite. Which kinda implies a Russian role in the conflict leading to the Great War (it was the US vs China).
The prewar conflict is retconned to be a Cold War Communism vs Capitalism situation, when the war was spurred by global resource shortages and inflation.
There’s no hint of organized civilization in an area previously occupied by a state so large that it was building railroads, manufacturing concrete and weapons, and expanding East.
Not that they can’t retcon some stuff in Season 2, but they did say that every faction will think they “won New Vegas.” That could mean many different things, but given how devastated all the factions you don’t side with after NV are, none of them seem like particularly well-considered decisions to me.
I enjoyed the world that Fallout built on the West Coast, which was at that point just a modern society. The show scrapped it to present a total wasteland, when there are so many new settings already alluded to in the lore.
“Edgy” lol I literally just said I don’t like the show, you’re clearly feeling insecure about your media preferences and I’m 100% not going to help with that so you should probably run away now
But what about the show didn’t you like? Fallout fans love shitting on any new fallout stuff. I totally get shitting on 4 for certain (a lot of) things, but the show?!? Really? And I’ve never seen someone say anything specific that they don’t like.
The plot and characters routinely make no sense, simple as
Give examples.
Here’s a shitload of them lol https://youtu.be/ulCLgjHFb-g