Here we go, the first Presidential debate between Biden and Trump begins at 9 PM Eastern/6 PM Pacific.

How to watch it:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-debate/index.html

"The CNN Presidential Debate will air live on CNN, CNN International and CNN en Español, and via streaming on Max for subscribers and without a cable login on CNN.com. CNN will make the debate available to simulcast on additional broadcast and cable news networks.

You can also follow CNN’s live debate coverage on CNN.com, which will include analysis and fact checking."

"According to parameters set by CNN in May, all participating debaters had to appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to reach the 270 electoral vote threshold to win the presidency and receive at least 15% in four separate national polls of registered or likely voters that meet CNN’s standards for reporting.

Polls that meet those standards are those sponsored by CNN, ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, Marquette University Law School, Monmouth University, NBC News, The New York Times/Siena College, NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist College, Quinnipiac University, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post."

Edit And that’s it! Thanks for watching everyone!

tl;dw:

Consensus is Trump didn’t so much as beat Biden as Biden beat himself.

The real loser is CNN who failed to fact check anyone, and there were obvious fact checks on both sides.

  • Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml
    466·
    3 days ago

    That was ironically the best summary of the damn debate. Two out of touch liches talking about golf.

    I wonder how the liberals feel now, that pushed Biden on electability and rejected any more radical options because they were too scary and conflicting with the party line.

    • JDPoZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
      202·
      2 days ago

      Smug rich beltway liberals completely detached from reality now get to feel stupid for a second and bewildered as they try to pivot to blaming this again somehow on “tHe LeFt!” (Aka mild social democrats everywhere else in the world)… but otherwise they think they’ll be okay, regardless of if a D or R is in charge (since they STILL don’t seriosuly take the threat of Trump and the far right rising everywhere) since at least they didn’t let some filthy FDR-type who might DARE to raise their taxes by like 0.5% after 6 years or whatever… like Bernie or Warren or Whitmer or Bowman or AOC even get to compete for the primary nomination.

      They have doomed the rest of us… and possibly themselves depending now on how successful “Project 2025” is at completely permafucking us all back into the dark ages as the world burns hotter every fucking month.

      I still can’t believe that 3 years after January 6th - where they fucking saw some of those goons with fucking ZIP ties - they think they won’t put be up against the bloody poles by mobs whipped up into a frothing frenzy by their demagogue-emperor god.

      • blarth@thelemmy.club
        2·
        2 days ago

        Yeah, those liberals in DC have got to wake up to reality. I’m solidly going to vote for the Democrat this election, whether it’s Biden or a literal baboon. However, there are lots of people out there who voted for Biden the first time who are now likely going to abstain or vote for Trump. The optics of Biden debate performance really harmed his candidacy.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          The optics of Biden debate performance really harmed his candidacy.

          It was always going to be a shit show with little upside to it. it doesn’t matter how well he performed or if he had a cold, or whatever else. all this debate was ever going to do was give the otherside more soundbites to mock, and give the turd a platform to spew more hate.

      • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
        32·
        2 days ago

        since at least they didn’t let some filthy FDR-type

        FDR threw 200,000 Americans into concentration camps. Even trump never did anything that dark. He was a tyrannical piece of shit and really shouldn’t be your metric for progressive politician.

        • JDPoZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
          61·
          2 days ago

          FDR threw 200,000 Americans into concentration camps.

          Yep… Congrats, Captain Obvious. Guess what? All presidents are shitty. He also helped us push to start building “the bomb” after Pearl Harbor.

          • Truman helped pass the Marshal Plan to rebuild all of Europe… but also dropped those 2 atomic bombs on civilian cities, killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
          • LBJ got us in to Vietnam proper. But he also pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act.
          • Obama passed the Affordable Healthcare Act, but increased drone strikes 10-fold.
          • Eisenhower gave us the Interstate Highway, but went along with anti-left coups all over South America (lots of the other presidents also did this sort of stuff, too, unfortunately)
          • FDR passed social security, helped get us out of the Great Depression, passed the GI bill, made electricity accessible to rural areas, gave us the Warren court - AKA the only non-conservative Supreme court in the last 100 years (Miranda rights, Brown v Board of education, right to attorney even if you can’t afford it, etc.)

          So I count FDR on the RELATIVE (not absolute) “good” side of US presidents… who are all shitty overall to lesser degrees at best.

          • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            2 days ago

            I’d rather focus on the negative. Take away what these bastards value most, their legacy. A bad person who does a few good things is still a bad person and should be remembered as a bad person. If future presidents see them getting dragged through the mud instead of lauded because MUH FREE MONEY maybe they’d think twice about being dickbags.

            who are all shitty overall to lesser degrees at best.

            Lesser degrees? Really? Lesser than putting Americans in concentration camps? Yeah, some were worse, but FDR isn’t anywhere near the top of the ‘good guy’ scale. At best he’s somewhere in the middle.

            • JDPoZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 days ago

              FDR isn’t anywhere near the top of the ‘good guy’ scale. At best he’s somewhere in the middle.

              Please enlighten me - name a handful of options who would be “near the top” - or hell… just above FDR? I’m curious to know who would go there besides Abraham Lincoln.

              • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
                11·
                2 days ago

                I’d go there.

                Elect me.

                I totally promise not to be an asshole.

                (Oh, I’d totally be an asshole.) (but I’d happily ram a progressive agenda down people’s throats anyway…) (still. Don’t vote for me.)

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
        111·
        2 days ago

        The problem is he fucked the delivery and Trump got to be in the position to cut him off with a high road comeback. “Let’s not be children.” Biden muttered something after that but the damage was done.

        • El Barto@lemmy.world
          8·
          2 days ago

          Biden said “you are the child.” It was a “no u” moment, so I rolled my eyes.

          But to be fair, Biden also attacked Trump several times. He called him a liar to his face. He referred to him as “this guy,” and called him a convicted felon.

          Too bad he didn’t have the same energy he had during the State of the Union.

          Edit: sorry, I referred to moments other than the golf one. And yes, I agree with you. His delivery was poor.

          • Maggoty@lemmy.world
            7·
            2 days ago

            Oh yeah he had strong moments, but during the SOTU and 2020 debates he was far stronger. I actually believe he’s sick. The problem is that excuse doesn’t fly with the American people. It didn’t help Hillary out either. That’s also why I’m sure this isn’t a speech impediment problem. Here’s the 2020 debate. It’s night and day.

            • El Barto@lemmy.world
              41·
              2 days ago

              I was very surprised to see him so… dim? precisely because of what you mentioned.

              It didn’t occur to me that he was probably sick.

              Too bad the American people won’t see it as a sign of strength, though. Being sick and still debating a moron? Not an easy task.

              I wish he started with “First of all, you all have to excuse me because I got the flu [or the clap or whatever] - but I’m here and I’m ready!”