authoritarians of any side deprecate liberal values (ie, individual liberty) & treat the individual as an expendable means to (rather than the nonexpendable ends of) their illiberal agenda

  • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
    31·
    2 days ago

    Conservative means “wants to return to the old ways, retain the past way of doing things”.

    That’s what they pretend it means, but yeah no. The US has never not been a democracy (give or take the racial apartheid thing), yet you can see what US conservatives are doing. Comservatism is fundamentally about putting power and wealth in the hands of the ingroup and taking them from the outgroup. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

    The past was bad. Tankies are conservatives.

    And what past are tankies trying to bring back?

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
      35·
      2 days ago

      The US has at some point “not been a democracy” in the past, when it was colonies ruled by aristocratic oligarchs loyal to an absolute monarch. Conservative isn’t about keeping things the same as they were five years ago, it’s about keeping things the same as hundreds of years ago: no “globalism”, no racial equality, and strong ties between the state and religion which also includes the oppression of women and homosexuality.

      Tankies are seeking to maintain a similar oligarchic and absolute-ruler structure used in the past.

      • orioler25@lemmy.world
        42·
        2 days ago

        I notice you didn’t mention the lack of democratic rights for a particular group of people in the United States after there was challenge to the monarchy. Y’know, as the revolution was happening, slave freedom petitions were already pointing out the obvious contradiction in a democracy where most people couldn’t vote. The US has legal routes to forced labour and denied democratic rights today extending back to the 1860s.

        It has never been democratic as you are using the word, it has always wielded the idea of democracy to the benefit of its privileged class though.

        You are a chud though, the talking points all over your profile could be AI generated they’re so typical. Might be even.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
        42·
        2 days ago

        The US has at some point “not been a democracy” in the past, when it was colonies ruled by aristocratic oligarchs loyal to an absolute monarch.

        No offense but either you’re making shit up or uou have no idea what you’re talking about. Britain hasn’t been an absolute monarchy since, like, the Magna Carta, and the thirteen colonies had elected state assemblies and broad self-government. It was Britain trying to violate that self-government that led to American independence. Please learn history before talking about it.

        Tankies are seeking to maintain a similar oligarchic and absolute-ruler structure used in the past.

        Again you have no idea what you’re talking about. Tankies think (very wrongly) that a Marxist-Leninist vanguard state will eventually being about socialism and wither away. To them authoritarianism is a transitional stage, not a goal. I’m going to disengage because I doubt you’re actually interested in learning anything, but what you’re saying is straight up misinformation.