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    11 hours ago

    “Accused without proof” excuse me what they literally have the gang signs tattoo’d on their skin. Are we gonna pretend that people get tattoos of criminal gangs but are actually not part of it?

    Jesus christ el salvador was one oft the deadliest countries in the world. People were going to work in the morning and there was a big chance of not getting home alive. The population celebrates bukele, as the country plunged from like 40 homicides per 100.000 people in 2019 to 1.9 per 100.000 people.

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        Yes, if you go on with that drastic measures, you are bound to hit innocent people aswell - just as ukraine is bound to kill innocent civilians by bombing russian infrastructure, despite all their attempts to mitigate those.

        I don’t think you guys understand the severity of the situation that has been cooking down there.

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        “Everyone that disagrees with me is a nazi” you know, come back once you got any kind of argument, okay? And stop embarrass yourself on topics you know jack shit about.

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      11 hours ago

      Having been in a gang ≠ in a gang. Lots of people wear school runs that are long long out of school, provide evidence of an actual crime instead like our constitution and bill of rights demand you fucking authoritarian simp.

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        Having been in a gang ≠ in a gang

        Shows how little you know about el salvador. People who have gang tattoos are either in a gang or dead. A criminal gang is not a club you can leave whenever you feel like it. Hell, even here in the west, people who try to leave the banditos or the hells angel often end up dead, and you think in el salvador, the (at that point) most murderous country in the world, they can just quit?

        provide evidence of an actual crime

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_El_Salvador

        The thing is, I’m as libertarian as you can get in the west. However, unlike most of you drones, I do recognize that at some point, being a civilized human stops working. Do you really think you can “reason” with criminal gangs that have been controlling your country for over a decade? Are you also one of those clowns that keep crying “No no no do not send ukraine weapons, you just have to TALK with putin!!!111 :(((((((((”?

        Is the situation down there good? Absolutely not. Are a lot of innocent people being caught in the crossfire? Absolutely.

        I’m not in favor of that at all, but I do recognize it’s the only way. Just like an infection that has progressed too long untreated, the only option is amputation of the affected limb. And el salvador had previous governments fail on every possible level.

        And the people of el salvador probably are happy they can leave their houses again without being shot. Bukele has incredibly high approval ratings, often above 90%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_Nayib_Bukele_presidency

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          I work with ex gang members you’re wrong and your ancedotal bullshit means nothing. Prove an actual crime like the goddamn constitution and bill of rights demand. If you’re accused of something I’d want them to prove that as well, what kind of racist fucking bigot do you have to be to say fuck it no due process for these people and moreover how absolutely fucking stupid do you have to be to expect that not to be precedent to imprison other people without due process like I dunno… You dipshit.

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            I work with ex gang members

            You don’t. At least not in el salvador.

            Prove an actual crime

            I know this might be a hard concept for you to grasp, but I can’t just fly to el salvador now and check the crime history of every single person in jail right now.

            goddamn constitution and bill of rights demand

            Of course you’re an american LMAO.

            Unlike you, I’ve been in el salvador in 2016 because my (Ex) girlfriends family lives there. I’ve seen first hand how fucked up the country is and I’ve talked to the people there. I’ve paid roughly 900€ (in dollar tho) to people who wanted to rob me in the streets. During my 1 week stay, I’ve seen 3 people getting shot. That’s 75% of all people I’ve seen getting shot.

            You fucking americans know NOTHING about the world outside of america. You just assume everything is the same as in your fucking country and apply your moral standards while never being anywhere near that country. You don’t put any effort into learning about the situation and thinking about: “Hmm what could be done about it?”. Seriously, what would you do to fix a country with over 100 homicides per 100.000 people? What would you do to fix a country where your children, parents or friends are more likely to get shot than in any other country on this planet? Good luck talking with criminals that ran your country for over a decade. Surely that will go well.

            Honestly I hope trump runs your fucking country into the ground and just takes you off the internet like north korea so I don’t have to endure your sleezy, naive and clueless bullshit anymore. You morons make me sick.