Imo, the worst shit is the multiverse shit that makes it all meaningless. If they don’t like how they told the story, they will just make up a new version and say multiverse and you are the idiot for saying that it doesn’t make sense in another way because multiverse.
An repetitive story with no meaningful content for the franchise and no interest in consistency.
Not like stories without a multiverse aspect have any more meaning. If someone has an interesting story to tell but it conflicts with some other aspect of a larger storyline (but works well with the rest), why not branch it off so it can stay internally consistent with its own story and not have to worry about what some other producers thought would be cool?
It’s the people who think you’re an idiot for not following every variation or understanding which ones go together who are the assholes. They are also the idiots themselves IMO for putting so much importance on knowledge of a set of fictional universes (and I say this as a geek who loves diving in to fictional universes, I just understand not all such dives are equal and my own deeper dives don’t make me better than anyone).
Even less effort than what? They just released a superman movie that didn’t have anything to do with previous superman movies. Isn’t that the easiest way to do a reboot? How is shoehorning in a multiverse easier?
This is how I feel about comic book stories in general. Due to the nature of the medium, they have to constantly come up with new stories with the same set of characters to keep it fresh…eventually the well runs dry.
Apparently, the new vision is to use the Multiverse explanation in order to bring all of the characters into one single timeline. So, apparently, Marvel has become quite aware of your issues, as the new studio head feels the same way. They’re doing what they can to address it, FWIW
Actors age out of roles, so you should be changing the world with each movie…
Counterpoint: James Bond has been chugging along for sixty years. Some are better than others, but the basic outline is the same for almost every Bond movie, and it’s still a prestige franchise.
Except for a select few movies, there’s no continuity in the James Bond franchise.
Marvel wanted a sandbox to play in with established and maintained continuity, that’s what a cinematic universe is. The main problem is that they’re not following up on the continuity, or rather not letting the world actually change.
Ah, I really liked the ultimates universe because it did make a whole new start that I could jump into, compared to the decades of comics earlier. Plus they were pretty free about killing some characters off. I loved cyclops deciding to
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because it felt like the characters had room to grow, fuck up, and change… like they could act in ways that didn’t need to preserve the status quo.
It was a wonderful experiment. And it showed what you can do with tight continuity control… But it was a bit too grimdark. Heroes need to be allowed to act like heroes, even when it’s hard.
The Ultimates universe felt like all the big names were slowly drifting towards evil.
I think my love for it came from the spiderman comic. Peter was great in the ultimate universe (and was the only comic I read through the entirety of). And yeah, grimdark is probably the right fit for it.
Imo, the worst shit is the multiverse shit that makes it all meaningless. If they don’t like how they told the story, they will just make up a new version and say multiverse and you are the idiot for saying that it doesn’t make sense in another way because multiverse.
An repetitive story with no meaningful content for the franchise and no interest in consistency.
Not like stories without a multiverse aspect have any more meaning. If someone has an interesting story to tell but it conflicts with some other aspect of a larger storyline (but works well with the rest), why not branch it off so it can stay internally consistent with its own story and not have to worry about what some other producers thought would be cool?
It’s the people who think you’re an idiot for not following every variation or understanding which ones go together who are the assholes. They are also the idiots themselves IMO for putting so much importance on knowledge of a set of fictional universes (and I say this as a geek who loves diving in to fictional universes, I just understand not all such dives are equal and my own deeper dives don’t make me better than anyone).
Multiverse is just the gg ez way to do a reboot with even less effort lol
Even less effort than what? They just released a superman movie that didn’t have anything to do with previous superman movies. Isn’t that the easiest way to do a reboot? How is shoehorning in a multiverse easier?
This is how I feel about comic book stories in general. Due to the nature of the medium, they have to constantly come up with new stories with the same set of characters to keep it fresh…eventually the well runs dry.
It’s an infinite Deux Ex Machina
Apparently, the new vision is to use the Multiverse explanation in order to bring all of the characters into one single timeline. So, apparently, Marvel has become quite aware of your issues, as the new studio head feels the same way. They’re doing what they can to address it, FWIW
They’re doing a Battleworld, the comic event where Doom kidnaps Franklin Richards, and the molecule man, in order to temporarily erase the multiverse.
The end of that particular comic storyline justified the end of the Ultimates universe, while allowing Miles Morales to join the main marvel universe.
Nothing else changed. Because the first law of comics is that nothing ever changes. Not really.
Movies on the other hand, have a problem. Actors age out of roles, so you should be changing the world with each movie… Marvel isn’t doing that.
Counterpoint: James Bond has been chugging along for sixty years. Some are better than others, but the basic outline is the same for almost every Bond movie, and it’s still a prestige franchise.
Except for a select few movies, there’s no continuity in the James Bond franchise.
Marvel wanted a sandbox to play in with established and maintained continuity, that’s what a cinematic universe is. The main problem is that they’re not following up on the continuity, or rather not letting the world actually change.
Ah, I really liked the ultimates universe because it did make a whole new start that I could jump into, compared to the decades of comics earlier. Plus they were pretty free about killing some characters off. I loved cyclops deciding to
spoiler
facemelt magneto
because it felt like the characters had room to grow, fuck up, and change… like they could act in ways that didn’t need to preserve the status quo.
It was a wonderful experiment. And it showed what you can do with tight continuity control… But it was a bit too grimdark. Heroes need to be allowed to act like heroes, even when it’s hard.
The Ultimates universe felt like all the big names were slowly drifting towards evil.
I think my love for it came from the spiderman comic. Peter was great in the ultimate universe (and was the only comic I read through the entirety of). And yeah, grimdark is probably the right fit for it.
For me it’s the juvenile plot and vapid dialogue. But sure, the retconning too.