No, Trump will get shut down and led around by people like Macron or Newson, and in the moment he’ll get all quiet and meek, but after a while he’ll go back to constantly shit talking them
Trump looks at Putin like he’s in love with him. I don’t know if it’s because he wants to fuck him or wants to be him, maybe both
But Putin doesn’t put Trump in his place, ironically it’s like the Sadam/Satan thing in South Park with the roles reversed. Trump comes out of interactions with him a little dazed and regurgitating Russian propaganda, but smiling. It takes him a few days to realize he’s been played, again
My preferred phrasing is that Trump looks at Putin like a schoolgirl with a crush.
I’m not sure why you start that with a “No” though - I don’t think we disagree.
I said that Putin won’t cede anything to Trump because that’s specifically what he (won’t) do. Yes - he doesn’t overtly shut Trump down - he doesn’t even seem to challenge him much. He’s smarter than that. He knows that Trump is a shallow, emotionally immature narcissist, so he feeds his ego and jollies him along, and counts on Trump being so pleased about being treated like a big boy by his hero/crush that he won’t notice that he isn’t sctually getting any meaningful concessions at all. And it works.
I said no to riff off your point but disagree on the nuance, I just think it’s more than just Putin knowing how to handle Trump
I agree with all that though… Their relationship is weirdly homoerotic, but Putin plays Trump at every turn. It reads like an abusive relationship
Like even when Putin said “next time, we meet in Moscow”, Trump didn’t say “haha, maybe” or “sure, after a peace deal” like any politician ever would. He said “they’ll get mad at me”. That’s like what you say to an ex trying to get back into your life
I use a lot of psychosexual imagery to describe their relationship, but that’s just because it’s both convenient and, to conservatives, demeaning (and to non-conservatives, amusingly ironic). But even though it consistently conjures up very accurate imagery, I hadn’t really considered the likelihood that that’s because there really is something to it.
He said “they’ll get mad at me”.
Oog. I missed that bit.
And yes - it sounds exactly like what someone would say to an abusive ex with whom they want to get back together.
No, Trump will get shut down and led around by people like Macron or Newson, and in the moment he’ll get all quiet and meek, but after a while he’ll go back to constantly shit talking them
Trump looks at Putin like he’s in love with him. I don’t know if it’s because he wants to fuck him or wants to be him, maybe both
But Putin doesn’t put Trump in his place, ironically it’s like the Sadam/Satan thing in South Park with the roles reversed. Trump comes out of interactions with him a little dazed and regurgitating Russian propaganda, but smiling. It takes him a few days to realize he’s been played, again
My preferred phrasing is that Trump looks at Putin like a schoolgirl with a crush.
I’m not sure why you start that with a “No” though - I don’t think we disagree.
I said that Putin won’t cede anything to Trump because that’s specifically what he (won’t) do. Yes - he doesn’t overtly shut Trump down - he doesn’t even seem to challenge him much. He’s smarter than that. He knows that Trump is a shallow, emotionally immature narcissist, so he feeds his ego and jollies him along, and counts on Trump being so pleased about being treated like a big boy by his hero/crush that he won’t notice that he isn’t sctually getting any meaningful concessions at all. And it works.
I said no to riff off your point but disagree on the nuance, I just think it’s more than just Putin knowing how to handle Trump
I agree with all that though… Their relationship is weirdly homoerotic, but Putin plays Trump at every turn. It reads like an abusive relationship
Like even when Putin said “next time, we meet in Moscow”, Trump didn’t say “haha, maybe” or “sure, after a peace deal” like any politician ever would. He said “they’ll get mad at me”. That’s like what you say to an ex trying to get back into your life
Ah… got it.
Wow.
You might just be on to something there.
I use a lot of psychosexual imagery to describe their relationship, but that’s just because it’s both convenient and, to conservatives, demeaning (and to non-conservatives, amusingly ironic). But even though it consistently conjures up very accurate imagery, I hadn’t really considered the likelihood that that’s because there really is something to it.
Oog. I missed that bit.
And yes - it sounds exactly like what someone would say to an abusive ex with whom they want to get back together.
That’s just plain creepy.
My theory is that, though he overcompensates, deep down, Trump’s a masochist and he gets off on being humiliated by Putin.