• nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca
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    If the Epstein stuff is what finally brings down Trump, it would be peak irony. Its a low bar, but at least some of these MAGA ding dongs draw a line at diddling children.

    I have kind of tuned out of this iteration of the Epstein scandal. Why would it bring him down now? Is there really any new information? Everyone with a brain knew he was friends with Epstein and on the list. Americans voted him in twice anyways. Why does it suddenly matter now?

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      Trump campaigned on releasing the list, likely because Trump and Epstein ran competing human trafficking organizations.

      Epstein had MC2 modeling, and Trump had T Management.

      But both used the same recruiter in Eastern Europe.

      There’s likely more ties as well. But you can sort of see how Trump thought he was Scott Free on this one.

      Now, prior to them opening up modeling agencies, Trump and Epstein had been thick as thieves, so there might also be old files that Epstein kept.

      Anyway it all comes down to Trump literally running on releasing the files, and then quickly walking that back when he found out how many times he was mentioned.

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      It’s that “everyone with a brain” bit that’s different now. Because you’re right, nothing here is new. Trump and Epstein’s ties have been pretty common knowledge to anyone not in the cult.

      What’s changed is that those inside the cult can’t really ignore it anymore. They went from “the democrats are all pedophiles and the Epstein files prove it!” to “they have the Epstein files on their desks, they are just doing some final checks before they release them” to “there are no Epstein files, there never were any Epstein files, and if you think different you need to shut up.”. Cognitive dissonance may be a powerful force, but “the Epstein files” have been the conspiracy bread and butter that’s been holding this cult together for a while now. They were probably willing to bend on just about anything but that.

      A lot of hay is made out of the fact that Trump managed to fuck up running a casino, and it’s true. In a business where the saying goes “the house always wins”, it takes a special breed of incompetance to bankrupt the house. This feels very similar. Dude could have said that aliens stole the Epstein files, Q-anon folks would have bought it. Or better yet don’t say anything at all. I think a lot of folks wouldn’t have bat an eye if Trump’s cronies were still “working on releasing the Epstein files” in 2028.

      But he didn’t do that. He made a huge song and dance about “releasing the Epstein files” then obviously canned it at the last minute. For the rabid conspiracy theoriests that comprise his base, the folks who were willing to invent an entire child trafficing code for pizzagate, that was probably the one manuver even he couldn’t pull.

      Will this mean anything in the long run? Well, I’ve kinda had my hope beaten out of me in that respect. But this does kinda feel different, I will say that.

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        That’s my point. Even if it does the worst case scenario here seems to be about 2-3 weeks of noise in the press, followed by the cult getting their prescribed narrative and adopting it wholesale. How does this lead to Trump’s downfall?

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      I am feeling like this is just a big distraction from all sides. “We” are being easily played. All these files have been in the hands of both sides and neither have released them. Either they are all hiding things or there isn’t actually anything beyond the sicko JE.

      Just one more wedge between the citizens (I don’t know you but I hate you) to occupy us while “they” do something else. The uniparty is real.

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        Yes thank your for illustrating the logic that enlightened centrist have used to justify voting for a known rapist twice. Literally just stoner logic.