I don’t think anyone thought the USSR did it for no reason. I’m just saying they could’ve chosen not to make those pacts and that’s why dividing Eastern Europe with the Nazis is given as a moral black mark for USSR.
Your country fought on the side of the Nazis in WW2, and helped them carry out the scorched earth policy you absolutely won’t forgive the USSR for turning back.
Not sure if we are supposed to agree with everything our countries have historically done. Are you from a place where you’re comfortable with doing that?
Well well well. How quickly one goes from “they should have done everything perfectly and not even buying time is morally acceptable, deplorable stuff really” to “oh my god what’s a little Nazi collaboration between friends? Everyone was doing it anyway”
You’re expecting the USSR to have imperilled tens of millions of lives and risk wholesale extermination by deliberately undermining their own position based solely on “well, you know for sure!”
Why? It bought them time to prepare further and gave them the possibility to station troops forward in land that they knew was gonna be overrun by nazis and need liberation afterwards anyway. I really don’t understand what’s so bad about it. You dont win wars with “moral points” but with strategy like that.
They needed to buy time to prepare for war, it wasn’t until the nazi horde was in Stalingrad that they were ready to fight back. The nazis were going to conquer as much as they did regardless. There doesn’t seem to be any detrimental effect on reality to signing the pact.
I don’t think anyone thought the USSR did it for no reason. I’m just saying they could’ve chosen not to make those pacts and that’s why dividing Eastern Europe with the Nazis is given as a moral black mark for USSR.
Lol, anti communists will never forgive the USSR for not letting the Nazis have all of Eastern Europe.
I don’t think Nazis should’ve had any part of Europe tbh.
Your country fought on the side of the Nazis in WW2, and helped them carry out the scorched earth policy you absolutely won’t forgive the USSR for turning back.
Not sure if we are supposed to agree with everything our countries have historically done. Are you from a place where you’re comfortable with doing that?
The irony of an anticommunist saying this is palpable.
Well well well. How quickly one goes from “they should have done everything perfectly and not even buying time is morally acceptable, deplorable stuff really” to “oh my god what’s a little Nazi collaboration between friends? Everyone was doing it anyway”
You seem pretty comfortable supporting Nazis
Then you probably shouldn’t condemn the soviets for not letting them have it
They let Nazi Germany have parts of Poland and Lithuania in the agreement.
They weren’t in a position to stop them.
We don’t know how it would’ve played out if both Western Allies and the USSR committed publicly to declaring war in case Poland is attacked.
You’re expecting the USSR to have imperilled tens of millions of lives and risk wholesale extermination by deliberately undermining their own position based solely on “well, you know for sure!”
France and UK committed to it. I don’t expect the USSR to have done it, but I would’ve preferred to see that sort of larger deterrent.
Why? It bought them time to prepare further and gave them the possibility to station troops forward in land that they knew was gonna be overrun by nazis and need liberation afterwards anyway. I really don’t understand what’s so bad about it. You dont win wars with “moral points” but with strategy like that.
You’re asking why making a pact with the Nazis is a black mark? I would think that’s obvious. Same for Chamberlain and everyone else.
So your problem is that their victory over the nazis wasn’t pure enough?
My issue is that these sort of deals enables Nazis to conquer much of Europe.
Stalin offered a million men to France and the UK to stop the nazis. They refused.
Meanwhile, your country was literally in the Axis in WW2, and helped the nazis carry out their atrocities.
Am I personally guilty of what happened in my country’s the past or how is that relevant?
Damn, not a fan of people bringing up completely irrelevant points about what other countries should have done?
Crazy. Sure would be embarrassing if that was something you constantly did yourself.
They needed to buy time to prepare for war, it wasn’t until the nazi horde was in Stalingrad that they were ready to fight back. The nazis were going to conquer as much as they did regardless. There doesn’t seem to be any detrimental effect on reality to signing the pact.