Tldr lower. So there’s (yet again) another flurry of communities that are all crossposting each other’s content with this hentai stuff.
Aside from a lot of this being made with AI, it is in essence soft porn and I don’t want it in /all.
I usually write a comment under such posts saying
Set your comm to NSFW pls
Rarely the mod write “Done” and that’s it. Often it is downvoted, and now it’s also just removed by mod for (I wouldn’t know the reason as it’s on a different instance to mine)
https://lemmy.world/post/33972247
TLDR; I don’t want my all feed to be a soft porn feed, is there anyway of not having these hentai soft porn communities in all, apart from individually blocking them (which doesn’t really work, as they keep making more communities).
So you’re good with everything except the nipple? I mean, I’m not even particularly hardline about this topic, that just seems like a really really niche use case that you want catered to
I’m good with nipples. And porn for that matter. I just don’t want it in my feed.
I have nipples in my phone wallpaper rotation. Female ones. But the relevant pieces fall into the artistic rather than pornographic category.
NSFW is a insanely fuzzy concept that allows you to draw the line essentially anywhere. It’s why I’m on an instance that blocks porn, rather than just using an account with nsfw tagged content disabled. Because that way I can keep nsfw enabled, and not miss stuff I want to see, because some people will mark stuff I would never in my wildest dreams think is nsfw.
Or they just use it to mark spoilered content, nevermind that people with nsfw disabled wont then see the post at all.
My instance manually blocks instances and communities that are pornographic. Because that’s literally the only way this can work.
There will always be someone who thinks any given piece of content should/shouldn’t be considered nsfw.
It’s a gradient that allows you to slightly lean in onen direction or the other, so stop acting like it should “at least” do anything. It does not draw a clear line, and there is no way to shift online culture so that it could.
So… nothing being presented here would affect you at all, then? If you don’t have NSFW content blocked, and your instance manually reviews blocked instances, marking softcore stuff as NSFW wouldn’t change how you interact with that content (unless your instance is overly zealous in blocking). So what’s the problem here?
I run a ton of these communities.
And I care about the fediverse as a whole.
Marking an entire category of content as nsfw because a tiny minority can’t be bothered to block it themselves, without good reason, will immediately kneecap community and content discovery.
I saw this in the numbers immediately.
I do still use the feature. And I calibrate the line of what is and what is not, based on votes, comments and reports.
One, single, upset person, is not reason enough cut off dozens or hundreds of people from encountering content they might like.
Okay sure, but why are we considering the people who don’t want to see that content as worth less than the people who do? For that matter, why is engagement more important to you than curating an appreciative audience? People are railing against people that downvote in /all as well, but what’s the alternative to express that they don’t want to see that content - blocking entire instances is an overly broad approach except in some specific cases (lemmy.nsfw for example) and blocking community by community is exhausting, given how many new highly specific “anime moe tiddy thigh-gap colored hair” communities crop up daily. Downvoting expresses disinterest, and it’s apparently common enough to see things you’re not interested in that “not downvoting in /all” is being pushed as basic courtesy. Asking them to tag things NSFW, or even just bringing out a different tag that isn’t blocked by default (which god, we really need even if just for spoilers) is a perfectly valid request that at the very least solves the downvoting problem, among others (it’s hard to bring on new users when a site gets a reputation for being overrun with anime fanservice communities, for example)
Why are people who want to see the content worth less than the ones who don’t? Anyone can block content. No-one is likely to find content they don’t even know is there.
What is the difference between engagement and an appreciative audience? I aim to minimize the number of people I offend, while maximizing the people I reach. What’s wrong with that? What more can I do?
The only certain way to offend no-one, even if I marked every single post nsfw, is to stop posting entirely.
I keep seeing this argument. What new communities? With a couple exceptions, I run them! I haven’t made a new one in over a year, and I’ve only recently had to add half a dozen new entries to my list.
Several clients offer word filtering. Asking for the feature in lemmy itself is fine, and something I fully support.
Oh boy am I not up for dealing with a point-by-point right now, so in no particular order:
Engagement is any interaction, including viewing, from a user. An appreciative audience is one that wants to view it. Why is Thighdeology marked nsfw on reddit, yet still a hugely popular subreddit, but somehow that would be a deathknell for it to be the same on lemmy? Your list includes none of the many AI-specific anime art communities that are out there, I think you need to be a bit more proactive in your browsing. Asking people to specify every word they don’t want to be exposed to is absurd, when there’s already one single and very easy to append word - NSFW - that you are ardently rejecting on the basis that it would damage your interactions.
Additionally people shouldn’t have to expose themselves to everything they don’t want to be exposed to before they can block it - there’s no way to know about something without interacting with it, but if you don’t want sexualized (but arguably non-explicit) images of anime girls in your feed, you’d have to go through and view a bunch of them before you can block it. Surely you can see how that’s… pretty ridiculous? Potentially very demeaning?
I don’t maximize for that. The only “engagement” I actively look for is the positive kind. You think I wouldn’t start marking things nsfw if it got a ton downvotes when I didn’t?
Currently, the reality is the other way around. Pointlessly tagged posts receive significantly less votes, because people looking for porn don’t vote, and people browsing normally, are less likely to check a post tagged nsfw.
Critical mass. Tons of things are a death-knell to fediverse activity simply because it is tiny. Reddit can support a shitload of duplicate communities any one of which outweighs the single equivalent fediverse community by orders of magnitude.
I actively refuse to engage with AI content. There are active communities besides [email protected] that aren’t on porn instances?
Finding a common word used in content you don’t like is no harder that blocking. The feature becoming generally available would allow us to implement arbitrary tags. Why does this suggestion offend you? It’s a genuine win-win solution.
That’s true for any category of content. Are you saying anime girls are somehow inherently bad or damaging to users, as compared to for example sports content?
I blocked music content from my feed this way. Should I feel demeaned for having been made to see things other people enjoy, but I don’t care for?
Okay, but then can you stop trying to use people talking about communities which include the ones you don’t want to engage with as a way to dismiss their claims as blown out of proportion? Maybe they’re just not talking about your content, or your content is being lumped in with the AI slop since there’s so much of it, and anime AI is getting so good these days you can’t tell at a casual glance.
You literally do, though. You just said you do. Everyone does, god knows I do, but I have the courtesy to marking my NSFW as NSFW since I’m confident that people who are interested in my content can just look it up. I don’t know why you think the people interested in your content can’t do the same, especially when you curate an extremely helpful list of communities related to the topic.
See, I don’t even care about this (beyond that I think the culture of ridiculously exploitative depictions of women in anime being defended as “not technically porn” is the root of some incredibly toxic aspects of modern culture, which is a completely separate issue I admit) it’s just bizarre how hostile people are to being asked to use the one tool we have to separate content.
(edit: also you’re trying to conflate adult-targeted content with a long and entrenched history of sexism with music preferences, and I know you know that’s a false equivalency. sheesh.)