French President Emmanuel Macron has announced that France will recognize Palestine as a state, amid snowballing global anger over people starving in Gaza.
Recognising the state of Palestine in over a month doesn’t change the urgency to let aid reach Palestinians. Of course work on that front must be done as well, and sooner than September.
I just don’t understand your point. How does officially recognising the statehood of Palestine now or in a month affect the current starvation crisis?
I just don’t understand your point. How does officially recognising the statehood of Palestine now or in a month affect the current starvation crisis?
That’s the point, it doesn’t… condemning Israel publicly, temporarily breaking economic relationship with Israel and/or urging other to so the same would (for example)
My point is this is likely just empty talk… Imagine the major of your town saying they will increase the Fire Fighters budget in the next fiscal year as a response to your house being on fire RIGHT NOW… do you get it now?
It doesn’t, that’s the point. We don’t need them to recognize Palestine now or next month, we need them to address the genocide. End all support for Israel, and use UN forces to actually stop the genocide.
It’s still important to recognise Palestine as a state. And it doesn’t delay any other action.
It seems to me that the progress you see is not the progress you want, so you consider it pointless. But the truth is, it’s still progress, and it doesn’t take away from the other priorities you mention.
Well none because they are not taking any other action…
I am not against the French recognizing Palestine as a State, I am against them (and the rest of the world) doing nothing about the immediate urgency that is the genocide Israel is actively conducting. Why is this so hard to understand?
Picture this: your house is on fire NOW, your son/daughter/dog/cat is trapped inside… nobody comes to help and then you hear the Mayor saying they will increase the Fire Fighter’s budget in the next fiscal year.
I am certain you would not be against the budget increase but that really does nothing about your immediate and urgent need, does it?
Well considering your very first comment was asking “when” this was going to happen:
Picture this: your house is on fire NOW, your son/daughter/dog/cat is trapped inside… nobody comes to help and then you hear the Mayor saying they will increase the Fire Fighter’s budget
And you respond by saying “When will you increase the budget?” Instead of saying what you actually need, then get upset when people respond to the question you actually asked instead of the statement you had in your head.
And again, the mayor announcing an increase in the fire fighter’s budget does not slow down help for your home.
Forget it. There are UN forces in southern Lebanon, quite a lot actually, with the mandate to disarm hezbollah. You saw how that went - Lebanon is still kind of a failed state were hezbollah was a major armed faction with thousands of rockets until the recent war with Israel. There is a reason why the UN is not really trusted by many Israelis and I really doubt that UN peacekeepers are able to disarm Hamas in Gaza, normalize the situation and stop militant palestinians from attacking Israel. It does sound like a good solution, but TBH there is no military force in the world that is able to win such an urban guerilla war. Russia maybe by destroying everything and murdering everybody. UN forces won’t help.
it was rethorical… thousands more will starve by September
Recognising the state of Palestine in over a month doesn’t change the urgency to let aid reach Palestinians. Of course work on that front must be done as well, and sooner than September.
I just don’t understand your point. How does officially recognising the statehood of Palestine now or in a month affect the current starvation crisis?
That’s the point, it doesn’t… condemning Israel publicly, temporarily breaking economic relationship with Israel and/or urging other to so the same would (for example)
My point is this is likely just empty talk… Imagine the major of your town saying they will increase the Fire Fighters budget in the next fiscal year as a response to your house being on fire RIGHT NOW… do you get it now?
It doesn’t, that’s the point. We don’t need them to recognize Palestine now or next month, we need them to address the genocide. End all support for Israel, and use UN forces to actually stop the genocide.
It’s still important to recognise Palestine as a state. And it doesn’t delay any other action.
It seems to me that the progress you see is not the progress you want, so you consider it pointless. But the truth is, it’s still progress, and it doesn’t take away from the other priorities you mention.
So, once again, I don’t understand your point.
What other actions?
What other action does this delay?
Well none because they are not taking any other action…
I am not against the French recognizing Palestine as a State, I am against them (and the rest of the world) doing nothing about the immediate urgency that is the genocide Israel is actively conducting. Why is this so hard to understand?
Picture this: your house is on fire NOW, your son/daughter/dog/cat is trapped inside… nobody comes to help and then you hear the Mayor saying they will increase the Fire Fighter’s budget in the next fiscal year.
I am certain you would not be against the budget increase but that really does nothing about your immediate and urgent need, does it?
Well considering your very first comment was asking “when” this was going to happen:
And you respond by saying “When will you increase the budget?” Instead of saying what you actually need, then get upset when people respond to the question you actually asked instead of the statement you had in your head.
And again, the mayor announcing an increase in the fire fighter’s budget does not slow down help for your home.
This is part of that process. France is sort of saying that they are willing to put boots on the ground to stop this, without saying exactly that.
Because being a member state of the UN comes with perks, like the ability to request UN peace keepers.
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UN forces?
Forget it. There are UN forces in southern Lebanon, quite a lot actually, with the mandate to disarm hezbollah. You saw how that went - Lebanon is still kind of a failed state were hezbollah was a major armed faction with thousands of rockets until the recent war with Israel. There is a reason why the UN is not really trusted by many Israelis and I really doubt that UN peacekeepers are able to disarm Hamas in Gaza, normalize the situation and stop militant palestinians from attacking Israel. It does sound like a good solution, but TBH there is no military force in the world that is able to win such an urban guerilla war. Russia maybe by destroying everything and murdering everybody. UN forces won’t help.
OK, they don’t recognize them State anymore. You got your fucking wish.