Same bed size, probably same payload capacity, and you can actually grab something out of the bed on the old truck without needing a stepladder. Really the only thing that the new truck does better is towing, simply due to added engine power and bigger breaks.
I don’t know what the old one was, but let’s say it was something like the Ford Courier from the 1970s. That pickup could take a load of 1,400 lb (635 kg). I don’t know how often someone would need to load more than 600 kg into their truck, and that’s with the curb weight of 2500 lbs or about 1100 kg. A modern F-250 has a curb weight that’s more than double the Courier at about 6300 lbs or 2850 kg. It can carry 5000 lbs, (2270 kg) but again, how often is that needed?
I can understand buying a big truck if you’re towing heavy things, but for loading up the bed with stuff, I wonder how often someone would get to 600 kg and say “I have lots of space remaining, but dang it, I’ve reached the weight limit!”
Why not compare to a F250 which was available in the 1970s? Curb weight 4,067.5 pounds, gross vehicle weight is 7,605.9. Though a lot of people moved from the F350 to the F250 when the superduty line came out in the 1990s - I’m not able to find specs of the F350 from that era, but it would be what I’d look for in a comparison.
we have no info on who is using these trucks and so cannot make any claims. for some the compact truck would do everything as well, for some it would not. if we add the assumption that someone is really doing some task we can talk.
note that when looking at specs just because it can do a job doesn’t mean it should. The compact truck is rated for a 6000lbs trailer but that is more than I would do with it.
Every time this gets posted I can’t help but think what would happen if you loaded up the little guy with comparable weights. I get it, full sized pickups aren’t for everyone but come on, they aren’t even close in payload capacity unless you’re hauling packing peanuts. Check it out.
Just the beds here. Not getting into the motor, transmission, suspension, etc.
A modern Toyota Tacoma long bed.
Bed Length: 73.5 inches
Width at Tailgate: 53 inches
Depth: 20.2 inches
Max Towing Capacity: 6500lbs
GMC 2500 HD Denali (my pickup)
Bed Length: 82.5 inches
Width at Tailgate: 71.4 inches
Depth: 22.4 inches
Max Towing Capacity: 15,000 lbs
With a full sized pickup you can stack a pallet of lumber flat. Lumber is 8ft standard length. Whole sheets of plywood and drywall are 4ft x 8ft. A 12’ roll of carpet sits on a roof rack without overhanging the front or back. There is just no comparing the two, they are made for completely different purposes.
My point is the full sized pickups have a place. I used to install carpet and hard floors. Now I tow an RV and need the higher clearance for the locations I visit. For little miss molly home maker or office job joe, full sized pickups are a ridiculous choice but don’t judge if you don’t know. Camping in remote locations isn’t only for the affluent. Not everyone can afford a commuter vehicle in addition to their fun vehicle. They have to make a choice and drive what they own.
They are bloated for no reason is my problem with them. I have an older chevy 3/4 ton for hauling our camper, boat, and the shit for renovating our fixer upper. The capability of a modern 3/4 ton is like 50% more at most, yet it’s like 3 feet taller for no reason. I can still haul 3k+ lbs and tow 12k, but I can still see over the hood with very little issue.
A modern half ton is bigger than my 2001 3/4 ton truck. The bloat is real.
The bigger truck can move the weight, sure, but that aluminum bed isn’t going to survive very long. The old design is easier to load and will last longer. And, yes, has more room for the bulkier stuff.
Same bed size, probably same payload capacity, and you can actually grab something out of the bed on the old truck without needing a stepladder. Really the only thing that the new truck does better is towing, simply due to added engine power and bigger breaks.
That new truck is a F250 which can handle a lot more weight in the bed than the small truck. It wasn’t much smaller of a truck 40 years ago.
I don’t know what the old one was, but let’s say it was something like the Ford Courier from the 1970s. That pickup could take a load of 1,400 lb (635 kg). I don’t know how often someone would need to load more than 600 kg into their truck, and that’s with the curb weight of 2500 lbs or about 1100 kg. A modern F-250 has a curb weight that’s more than double the Courier at about 6300 lbs or 2850 kg. It can carry 5000 lbs, (2270 kg) but again, how often is that needed?
I can understand buying a big truck if you’re towing heavy things, but for loading up the bed with stuff, I wonder how often someone would get to 600 kg and say “I have lots of space remaining, but dang it, I’ve reached the weight limit!”
Why not compare to a F250 which was available in the 1970s? Curb weight 4,067.5 pounds, gross vehicle weight is 7,605.9. Though a lot of people moved from the F350 to the F250 when the superduty line came out in the 1990s - I’m not able to find specs of the F350 from that era, but it would be what I’d look for in a comparison.
Why compare to an F250 when the F250 is needlessly large?
Because the f250 has been around for many years and has always been a large truck. Comparing a compact truck to a large truck is not fair.
Why not, if the compact truck will do what you need?
we have no info on who is using these trucks and so cannot make any claims. for some the compact truck would do everything as well, for some it would not. if we add the assumption that someone is really doing some task we can talk.
note that when looking at specs just because it can do a job doesn’t mean it should. The compact truck is rated for a 6000lbs trailer but that is more than I would do with it.
Every time this gets posted I can’t help but think what would happen if you loaded up the little guy with comparable weights. I get it, full sized pickups aren’t for everyone but come on, they aren’t even close in payload capacity unless you’re hauling packing peanuts. Check it out.
Just the beds here. Not getting into the motor, transmission, suspension, etc.
A modern Toyota Tacoma long bed. Bed Length: 73.5 inches Width at Tailgate: 53 inches Depth: 20.2 inches Max Towing Capacity: 6500lbs
GMC 2500 HD Denali (my pickup) Bed Length: 82.5 inches Width at Tailgate: 71.4 inches Depth: 22.4 inches Max Towing Capacity: 15,000 lbs
With a full sized pickup you can stack a pallet of lumber flat. Lumber is 8ft standard length. Whole sheets of plywood and drywall are 4ft x 8ft. A 12’ roll of carpet sits on a roof rack without overhanging the front or back. There is just no comparing the two, they are made for completely different purposes.
My point is the full sized pickups have a place. I used to install carpet and hard floors. Now I tow an RV and need the higher clearance for the locations I visit. For little miss molly home maker or office job joe, full sized pickups are a ridiculous choice but don’t judge if you don’t know. Camping in remote locations isn’t only for the affluent. Not everyone can afford a commuter vehicle in addition to their fun vehicle. They have to make a choice and drive what they own.
They are bloated for no reason is my problem with them. I have an older chevy 3/4 ton for hauling our camper, boat, and the shit for renovating our fixer upper. The capability of a modern 3/4 ton is like 50% more at most, yet it’s like 3 feet taller for no reason. I can still haul 3k+ lbs and tow 12k, but I can still see over the hood with very little issue.
A modern half ton is bigger than my 2001 3/4 ton truck. The bloat is real.
The bigger truck can move the weight, sure, but that aluminum bed isn’t going to survive very long. The old design is easier to load and will last longer. And, yes, has more room for the bulkier stuff.