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        Rogue One is a shitfest for a variety of reasons:

        The original writer director didn’t start with a script, he started with a supercut of other sci fi films and used that to make a script.

        https://slate.com/culture/2017/01/rogue-one-s-editors-used-pieces-of-wargames-and-aliens-to-mock-up-the-film-s-first-draft.html

        Even when he had a script, he spent an hour a day shooting off script for things that looked cool, but served no purpose.

        So when the first trailers came out, they were full of gibberish footage that was never actually used in the movie.

        https://www.polygon.com/2017/1/6/14195898/rogue-one-star-wars-trailer-jyn-erson

        Then he got fired and a new writer director was brought in, one who said his super power was he never liked Star Wars.

        https://theplaylist.net/tony-gilroy-rogue-one-podcast-20180405/

        “Because that was my superpower. A) I don’t like ‘Star Wars’—not that I don’t like it, but I’ve never been interested in ‘Star Wars’ ever, so I had no reverence for it whatsoever, I was unafraid about that and they were in such a swamp… they were in so much, terrible, terrible trouble that all you could do was improve their position.”

        So you get conflicting scenes, one where Cassian has no trouble murdering an innocent informant, but not long after gets all sweaty and conflicted when it’s time to assassinate a legitimate military target.

        https://youtu.be/LORtuZ0ISF4#t=48s

        vs.

        https://youtu.be/eCN7zF1BMIQ

        No character growth, no arc, just in one scene he has no trouble murdering an innocent guy WHO HELPED HIM BTW, but later refuses to take out a military target HE WAS SUPPOSED to kill.

        To say nothing of crapping all over the iconic opening of Star Wars by having Vader watch the Death Star plans fly away, personally, with his own eyes.

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          No character growth, no arc, just in one scene he has no trouble murdering an innocent guy WHO HELPED HIM BTW, but later refuses to take out a military target HE WAS SUPPOSED to kill.

          Yeah, it’s almost like the target he was about to assassinate could be the only person in the galaxy who knows how to take out the weapon he just witnessed level a city.

          To say nothing of crapping all over the iconic opening of Star Wars by having Vader watch the Death Star plans fly away, personally, with his own eyes.

          Those two scenes line up perfectly and imo are quite satisfying when watching the two films back to back. In what way does Rogue One’s ending “crap all over” A New Hope’s opening?

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          It’s pretty funny that it still turned out to be the best Star Wars film since the OG trilogy.

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            I dunno, I think the best of the Disney versions is still Force Awakens. The big complaint is “Well, it’s just Star Wars…” which is true… but it’s Star Wars without George Lucas. They had to prove they could do what Lucas did without Lucas and I think they succeeded in that.

            Then Last Jedi shit the bed. Then Carrie Fisher died which painted them into a corner with Rise of Skywalker. Force Awakens was Han, Last Jedi was Luke, Rise of Skywalker was supposed to be Leia… 😢

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            about 2/3 of what they’re saying is about the production and trailers before the movie was released. Other critiques about no character growth for Andor, but not mentioning Jyn’s arc at all.

            Also Rogue One brought us Andor, so even if it was a terrible movie, it spawned some of the best TV in the last 5 years, which says a lot about the movie and the characters.

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            Same. I got as far as “Yer a wizard rebel now!” and was like “Nope!” Took 3 full tries before I finished it.

            The Rebel Moon movies are better than Rogue One and that’s saying something.

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              The Rebel Moon movies are better than Rogue One

              Woah slow down there. I can understand not liking Rogue One, but no way the trash that is Rebel Moon is better.

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      You take that back! It spawned andor which is also amazing. Rogue one proves they can actually make a gritty star wars film that shows a broken universe wouldn’t be all good vs evil bullshit.

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        I didn’t think I could dislike Rogue One until I watched Andor. After finishing Andor and then rewatching Rogue One, I felt disappointed that it wasn’t quite as good.

        Not that it means Rogue One is a bad Star Wars film, but that Andor is just that good. I don’t think they’ll ever make another piece of Star Wars media that can surpass it.