I realize there’s no singular answer for this, but many of the MAGA crowd attribute many of our current woes to the prior administration, like cost of living, inflation, unemployment rates, etc.
I’d imagine that every day that passes and we get more and more distant from Biden’s presidency, it gets a bit harder to blame him for every problem.
e.g. It’d be hard to blame many of the increased prices on electronics on him, since much of this has been driven by Trump’s tariffs (but I bet someone will attempt to refute this!)
This is a long-winded way of me asking the community, have you seen any Trump fans start to come around at all? When do we start living in the conditions (good or bad) of Trump’s America and stop laying blame on the last administration?
I’m interested to see what people of all persuasions feel about this.
For myself, I have seen some minor loss of enthusiasm among Trump followers, but I haven’t seen anyone register as a Democrat yet :)
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The dude could literally have the hangman’s noose of judgement around his neck and still be ranting and blaming everyone but himself. He cannot operate any other way. It’s pathological.
He’s a narcissist. He never accepts responsibility, and everyone around him is too well paid/scared/enthralled to hold him responsible. He inspires totally devotion in his followers. He’s dodged multiple bullets. I can’t see him coming unstuck now
Trump will never take accountability. He has to be held to account by his betters.
I don’t think that poor excuse of a man knows what accountability is
T was never held accountable for anything, why would he change? T’s followers see themselves in him and will continue to reject reality because their identity is closely tied to T. Continuing to live in denial is the brains way of protecting itself. For some people the flipside to this is psychosis.
Hahahahahahahahahaha, MAGA taking accountability. That’s a good one
Hah.
That man has never been accountable for anything in his life. Hell, he’s made it to 80 eating solely McDonalds fast food. Fucking colon cancer and heart disease can’t hold this man accountable, what makes you think the spineless ass kissing money grubbers in Congress are going to do it?
It took around 15 years in the UK for blaming the previous government to finally stop working.
Jesus Christ. 15 years??
There will never be real accountability in a two party system
Never. He’s not capable. Even if it’s forced on him, like it ought to be, he’d learn nothing and it would still be everyone but his fault. He’s a geriatric toddler with brain damage.
The most likely answer is it’ll happen when he finally pisses off his own minions enough. He’s more likely to die, before he’ll see any kind of real punishment for anything.
Now that he’s about to rob several millions of people of basic needs being met, maybe things will start moving
The answer is ‘never’. If these people were capable of self reflection then Trump wouldn’t have a second term. That’s not how cults of personality work.
Once he bites the big one, we’ll start hearing horror stories from his flunkies that are no longer afraid to tell the truth, but it won’t amount to anything at that point, as MAGA still won’t believe any of it.
You just hope that all the self serving gremlins that gravitated towards Chief Cheeto spend the rest of their lives like adults that peaked in high school. Just trying to relive the glory days while slowly sliding into liver cirrhosis and amphetamine addiction while being ignored by their families
I’m 100% sure that’s true for some people, but I do not believe that you can put people into two buckets: Totally against Trump and totally for Trump. I am really disinterested in people that DO fall into either of those categories, as they are beyond reason.
However, I’m interested in anyone that falls outside those categories, as those are the people whose minds can be changed.
I think being totally against a convicted felon rapist who is actively dismantling the protections that have been in the Construction for centuries and constantly finding ways to line his pocket is totally within reason.
Trump is a bold, unapologetic fascist. You need to accept this fact, or it will kill you. He will never take responsibility because that is not how fascism works.
I do not believe that you can put people into two buckets: Totally against Trump and totally for Trump.
At this point you absolutely fucking can.
No, there are at least two other types:
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The uninformed. Keep in mind that the vast majority of people in the US are completely uninformed about any of this. I’ll regularly see posts by people who I think of as more or less intelligent and aware of world events who will nonetheless be completely in the dark about what Trump is up to.
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The propagandized. There are a ton of people for whom the anti-Democrat propaganda has worked, and who will “hold their nose” and vote against the person they’ve been told is a baby-killer or whatever. They don’t support Trump in everything he does, but they’d rather him than someone who wants to put political dissidents in a gulag. They don’t see the irony now, because the propaganda doesn’t tell them about CECOT.
I also am fully willing to believe that there are others who aren’t against or for him, but they definitely aren’t particularly loud.
anti-Democrat propaganda
Because Demcorats are immune to propaganda, right? BlueMAGA is no better at detecting propaganda as MAGA
Who said that?
Who said that?
The strawman.
I don’t know where you get the idea that that’s what I was saying here. I was talking about Trump supporters, and I don’t think many of them are Democrats.
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I have to really, really dig for this one, but Trump’s attitude re: cannabis is that it should be up to the states to decide, and has also been quoted as supporting medical cannabis. I think overall, this is a good move, not as good as it being Federally legal would be, but a step in the right direction.
It’s just the other 99.95% of the things that he does I don’t agree with. :)
disinterested in people that DO fall into either of those categories
I am also disinterested in the entire human race.
Don’t fall for the fallacy of binary thinking. A good way to oversimplify your opponents/enemies is to put them totally in another category from yourself. Life is rarely this simple. There’s a huge continuum of beliefs and behaviors that fall between these two belief systems.
I recall my acquaintance being surprised that I wasn’t for “open borders” even though I voted for Biden. The idea that one could have a belief that is independent of Trump and Biden had not occurred to him.
What’s 1 thing Trump has done that you agree with?
There are very, very few. I cited some cannabis policy above.
That’d be just what we need. People with no critical thinking skills, in a cult, legally high. Another coffin nail.
…you think people totally against Trump need to be more open to changing their minds?
I don’t see this happening, but let’s say he reverses course and renounces all his past decisions, steps down and the USA enters a new golden age. Should we be totally against that too? For any given position, I try to keep in mind what would have to happen to make me reverse that decision. If the answer is “nothing”, then I may be missing something, or maybe I am letting my personal prejudices get in the way of what could be a good outcome.
It’s often confusing when someone we really dislike does something we agree with, but it is a thing that can and will happen from time to time.
I look at this similarly to how I view my atheism. If a God were to appear and demonstrate all kinds of supernatural activity and capability, I think I’d have to renounce my atheism. I don’t think that’s likely to happen, but if it did, I do have a condition where I would reverse my belief.
Same thing with being anti-Trump. I am for now, but there are certain unlikely conditions that would make me reconsider that, should they occur.
If a God were to appear and demonstrate all kinds of supernatural activity and capability, I think I’d have to renounce my atheism.
I would also renounce my atheism and become fully anti-theism.
The god is clearly not benevolent, not kind, not caring. The god can go fuck themselves.Trumps track record over the past decades cannot be forgiven
It’s often confusing when someone we really dislike does something we agree with, but it is a thing that can and will happen from time to time.
Condescending and insufferable: check.
Donald Trump has not been held accountable by anyone since his father died. Even when he was convicted of felony paperwork violations, his punishment was to get elected President (again!).
He also raped someone and it was proven in a court of law.
Straight to the Oval Office!!!
Never. That’s the very obvious answer. Why are you even asking?
