I’m currently reading Hitler’s First Victims and while I knew Nazism was gaining power in the early 1930’s, I didn’t actually know that the systemic murder of Jews began this early, nor that anyone in the legal apparatus at the time tried to stop it, so this was heartening in a way even though they didn’t ultimately succeed.
There are a lot of parallels with what’s happening now under Donald Trump, particularly the intentional destruction of the rule of law, which made the establishment of Dachau and the kidnapping indefinite imprisonment and murder of Jewish political prisoners possible.
It’s also very worth noting that disabled people (many also Jewish, of course) were the first group systematically exterminated en masse by the Nazis. Disabled people were legally required to be sterilized starting already in 1933 when the Nazis came into power, and mass euthanasia started in 1939 (called Aktion T4). Mass killings of other victims in concentration camps began in 1941.
The people who were considered disabled was subject to interpretation. Alcoholism, epilepsy, paralysis, blindness, and “work shyness” were all conditions considered unworthy of life.
Autistic people, then believed to have a form of schizophrenia, were also a main target. In fact, the term Asperger’s syndrome was coined by Hans Asperger as a means of determining which autistics were bound for work camps versus death camps. This is part of the reason why Asperger’s is no longer considered its own syndrome but is considered part of the larger autism spectrum. The delineations between the former autistic subtypes were too vague and subjective to be accurate.
Unfortunately, disabled victims of the Holocaust receive little recognition to this day, but it’s not surprising when disabled people still have reduced status under the law in most countries.
Few countries offer enough welfare benefits to ensure a decent standard of living. Even then, you lose access to those benefits if you manage to build assets worth more than a few thousand dollars/euros. We cannot get married without reduced benefits in many countries. Few countries have sufficient accessibility laws. Things like obtaining a driver’s licence can cost much more with certain disabilities. Many countries prohibit immigration with certain disabilities.
Disabled activists have been sounding the alarm on all this for decades, because we are historically first on the chopping block when shit gets real. Keep that in mind when RFK Jr. starts talking about an autism registry or work camps for psychiatric patients.
Another great book about the actual process of the holocaust is IBM and the Holocaust. Lots of detail about how the victims were targetted and then how IT really made a lot of the horrors possible
Recommended read for anyone curious about the logistics.
Been thinking about that one with the AI fun they’re building now. If you think IBM helped the holocaust, just wait till you see what ChatGPT can do. It’s going to be like thought police.
I’m an old musician, who remembers the role that musicians played in the Vietnam War Resistance. The current population music industry would never allow their artists to be so openly resistant today.
So I’ve been looking for music to revive, and create a soundtrack for the growing resistance. This might be a good one.
It’s also time to revive all those good old protest folk songs by Woody Guthrie and the like. Songs like This Land Is Your Land.
The current population music industry would never allow their artists to be so openly resistant today.
Bands like Rise Against and System of a Down got a lot of air time around the Iraq war, and could go back to 90s with Rage against the Machine and the late punk bands - but I’ve definitely precieved an industry shift towards promoting music that celebrates apathy and embracing futility in recent years.
I also recommend In the Garden of Beasts, by Erik Larson. It follows the US ambassador to Germany in the 30s and how he tries to warn his counterparts back home how bad things are getting. Again, many parallels.
The beginnings are also obvious in germany and the EU, AGAIN.
We’ve already built concentration camps inside germany and on the eu borders. Immigrants are being hunted by the regular police and also militias. One was executed by german police recently. 4 shots in the back, one to the head.
But people are drowning in propaganda media that tells them its all fine and we must go to war with russia now and immigrants are evil.
The most telling thing is how they try to frame palestine solidarity as “imported antisemitism” which is so racist it baffles me.
Its insane. Even the worker party (spd) and the former climate party (the greens) are pushing war propaganda and xenophobia. Its historically so close to what happened back then, bar the focus on jews, fortunately.
Edit: Downvotes are pouring in and misinformation spreaders are jumping on this post. Really interesting how bad lemmy has gotten in terms of propaganda.
None. Thats my point. Cops shooting people in the back does not need a story. Its just murder. Even if that person were in the process (which he wasnt) of attacking someone else, shooting them in the back is likely going to injure the person you’re trying to save.
My point is start thinking instead of just believing a headline. Its not that hard.
First you outright lie about him having seriously injured people with a knife, now you try to spin this.
German police is infamous for its nazi chat groups and racial profiling. They cuffed and set a guy on fire. Nobody knows how he died but four bullets to the back is an execution in my book, period.
And most importantly, even if you were interested in just having nobody use words that arent the exact definition in the dictionary, that is the thing now. Picturing immigrants as vile, subhuman creatures, spinning facts in ways that have no connection to actual reality. And we’re discussing if shooting someone who is no threat to you four times in the back is an execution or not.
They have already awarded a $250 million contract to build a 30,000 bed facility in Guantanamo.
For context Guantanamo currently houses up to about 250 people. The average maximum security prison hold 800-1200. The largest prison, in Angola, LA, holds about 8300. So the new prison in Guantanamo will hold almost 4 times as many as the largest prison, which is already several times larger than average.
This facility will be on foreign soil (Cuba!), far away from the prying eyes of the media, the courts, lawyers, protesters, family, etc. who do they plan on putting there, and for what crimes?
Most people have missed it. I have seen anyone in the media report on this or ask anyone in the administration about it. It should be one of the biggest stories in America.
Yeah, they plan on housing tens of thousands of people at a black site on foreign soil. If they were illegals, they’d be deporting them, so who are they planning on keeping here, and why?
Also, I’ve been tracking this development since he first signed the executive order for it several months ago, but I’ve never heard a single journalist in any media mention it, or ask any member of the administration about it. Most Americans aren’t aware of this in the slightest, and the media is helping keep it that way.
Fuck Putin and his war, but you took that person’s quote out of context. They said that fascism is an integral part of capitalism, not that it’s great. Just that it makes systemic sense for fascism to crop up under capitalism. Maybe I’m misreading it.
You’re absolutely right. The person is trying to character assassinate me. They’re either really misunderstanding what I’m talking about or deliberately trying to smear me.
I will always be hated for this but fascism is necessary. It is the whip of the owning class. As long as you have capitalism, you have fascism.
In more detail if you wish:
Normal society: Person make chair, person sell chair, person eat
Thats the “natural” way of things.
Capitalism:Person make chair, person get tiny cut of chair because [mArKeTiNg cOsT, responsibility, land ownership and other bogus excuses], person eat less, capitalist eat more.
People dont really accept this because it is not natural or fair. Therefore you need a couple of things, depending on the stage of capitalism:
the carrot (you will have your own house! you will buy cool things! you can be rich!)
the veil (propaganda, telling you why it is the only thing that works, why you just need to comply, because compliance will be rewarded…)
the stick (a militarized police force that will shoot you if you dont comply)
As you can see, all western states are currently going down the “military disguised as police” route. Why do you think that is? It is because the capitalists want more yachts.
And after 100 years of propaganda, we actually believe there never has been a better system.
Have a great day.
That’s the full quote, I really don’t see how you’re reading this and thinking they support fascism (or capitalism, for that matter). It’s not great phrasing, but it looks to be an indictment of capitalism on the grounds that it relies on deceiving and abusing the populace.
Was it edited or can you explain how you’re interpreting it?
I have seen the comment sections FLOODED with nothing but praise for ICE and hate for alleged immigrants. We are taking someone in court was mistaken for another person, released by ICE, and there were idiots screaming GIT, how evil the lawyer is, and how if he didn’t do the crime, he would not be deported.
Not to give my fellow countrymen a pass, there’s an absolute ton of shitheels here. But do remember that on news sites there are a lot of bot comments. Don’t feel overwhelmed by voice, it’s not necessarily true.
I’m currently reading Hitler’s First Victims and while I knew Nazism was gaining power in the early 1930’s, I didn’t actually know that the systemic murder of Jews began this early, nor that anyone in the legal apparatus at the time tried to stop it, so this was heartening in a way even though they didn’t ultimately succeed.
There are a lot of parallels with what’s happening now under Donald Trump, particularly the intentional destruction of the rule of law, which made the establishment of Dachau and the
kidnappingindefinite imprisonment and murder of Jewish political prisoners possible.It’s also very worth noting that disabled people (many also Jewish, of course) were the first group systematically exterminated en masse by the Nazis. Disabled people were legally required to be sterilized starting already in 1933 when the Nazis came into power, and mass euthanasia started in 1939 (called Aktion T4). Mass killings of other victims in concentration camps began in 1941.
The people who were considered disabled was subject to interpretation. Alcoholism, epilepsy, paralysis, blindness, and “work shyness” were all conditions considered unworthy of life.
Autistic people, then believed to have a form of schizophrenia, were also a main target. In fact, the term Asperger’s syndrome was coined by Hans Asperger as a means of determining which autistics were bound for work camps versus death camps. This is part of the reason why Asperger’s is no longer considered its own syndrome but is considered part of the larger autism spectrum. The delineations between the former autistic subtypes were too vague and subjective to be accurate.
Unfortunately, disabled victims of the Holocaust receive little recognition to this day, but it’s not surprising when disabled people still have reduced status under the law in most countries.
Few countries offer enough welfare benefits to ensure a decent standard of living. Even then, you lose access to those benefits if you manage to build assets worth more than a few thousand dollars/euros. We cannot get married without reduced benefits in many countries. Few countries have sufficient accessibility laws. Things like obtaining a driver’s licence can cost much more with certain disabilities. Many countries prohibit immigration with certain disabilities.
Disabled activists have been sounding the alarm on all this for decades, because we are historically first on the chopping block when shit gets real. Keep that in mind when RFK Jr. starts talking about an autism registry or work camps for psychiatric patients.
The irony is that one of the few things the USA does better than other countries is disability accommodation. (At least for now.)
Another great book about the actual process of the holocaust is IBM and the Holocaust. Lots of detail about how the victims were targetted and then how IT really made a lot of the horrors possible
Recommended read for anyone curious about the logistics.
Been thinking about that one with the AI fun they’re building now. If you think IBM helped the holocaust, just wait till you see what ChatGPT can do. It’s going to be like thought police.
Look up Palantir
im sure you’ll enjoy delving into it —
I’ll add it to my list. Thank you for the recommendation.
One of the most well know and influential anti Nazi songs of the era The Peat Bog Soldiers was composed in 1933 as well.
Even years before the outbreak of war in Europe these camps had already had a storied history.
I’m an old musician, who remembers the role that musicians played in the Vietnam War Resistance. The current population music industry would never allow their artists to be so openly resistant today.
So I’ve been looking for music to revive, and create a soundtrack for the growing resistance. This might be a good one.
It’s also time to revive all those good old protest folk songs by Woody Guthrie and the like. Songs like This Land Is Your Land.
Bands like Rise Against and System of a Down got a lot of air time around the Iraq war, and could go back to 90s with Rage against the Machine and the late punk bands - but I’ve definitely precieved an industry shift towards promoting music that celebrates apathy and embracing futility in recent years.
One of my favorites is Stephen Foster’s Hard Times, Come Again No More (1873):
I also recommend In the Garden of Beasts, by Erik Larson. It follows the US ambassador to Germany in the 30s and how he tries to warn his counterparts back home how bad things are getting. Again, many parallels.
I’m sick of parallels, when are we gonna do orthogonals
Very interesting indeed.
The beginnings are also obvious in germany and the EU, AGAIN.
We’ve already built concentration camps inside germany and on the eu borders. Immigrants are being hunted by the regular police and also militias. One was executed by german police recently. 4 shots in the back, one to the head.
But people are drowning in propaganda media that tells them its all fine and we must go to war with russia now and immigrants are evil.
The most telling thing is how they try to frame palestine solidarity as “imported antisemitism” which is so racist it baffles me.
Its insane. Even the worker party (spd) and the former climate party (the greens) are pushing war propaganda and xenophobia. Its historically so close to what happened back then, bar the focus on jews, fortunately.
Edit: Downvotes are pouring in and misinformation spreaders are jumping on this post. Really interesting how bad lemmy has gotten in terms of propaganda.
You mean the guy with the knife that badly injured someone before getting shot? You call that execution?
Oh my god. You’re not buying that the cop “shot the guy 4 times in the back in self defense” bullshit, are you?
So what is the story you would like me to buy?
None. Thats my point. Cops shooting people in the back does not need a story. Its just murder. Even if that person were in the process (which he wasnt) of attacking someone else, shooting them in the back is likely going to injure the person you’re trying to save.
My point is start thinking instead of just believing a headline. Its not that hard.
Edit: and just so you know, you’re spreading misinformation. nobody was hurt by the knife. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todesfall_Lorenz_A. that is racist propaganda.
Yes, seems like shit, but still, the shooter gets prosecuted. It was not an execution, especially not as part of a large movement.
You’re delusional.
First you outright lie about him having seriously injured people with a knife, now you try to spin this.
German police is infamous for its nazi chat groups and racial profiling. They cuffed and set a guy on fire. Nobody knows how he died but four bullets to the back is an execution in my book, period.
And most importantly, even if you were interested in just having nobody use words that arent the exact definition in the dictionary, that is the thing now. Picturing immigrants as vile, subhuman creatures, spinning facts in ways that have no connection to actual reality. And we’re discussing if shooting someone who is no threat to you four times in the back is an execution or not.
This discussion is over.
They have already awarded a $250 million contract to build a 30,000 bed facility in Guantanamo.
For context Guantanamo currently houses up to about 250 people. The average maximum security prison hold 800-1200. The largest prison, in Angola, LA, holds about 8300. So the new prison in Guantanamo will hold almost 4 times as many as the largest prison, which is already several times larger than average.
This facility will be on foreign soil (Cuba!), far away from the prying eyes of the media, the courts, lawyers, protesters, family, etc. who do they plan on putting there, and for what crimes?
I missed that. Seems like they are already using it to send anybody they don’t like.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/guantanamo-bay-immigration-detainees-asia-africa-europe/
Most people have missed it. I have seen anyone in the media report on this or ask anyone in the administration about it. It should be one of the biggest stories in America.
Holy shit. I didnt know it was that dire but I have to admit I am not that surprised either. Please stay safe if you’re in that country.
Yeah, they plan on housing tens of thousands of people at a black site on foreign soil. If they were illegals, they’d be deporting them, so who are they planning on keeping here, and why?
Also, I’ve been tracking this development since he first signed the executive order for it several months ago, but I’ve never heard a single journalist in any media mention it, or ask any member of the administration about it. Most Americans aren’t aware of this in the slightest, and the media is helping keep it that way.
What is the relation between this and the invasion of Ukraine by Russia?
What do you mean? I’m talking about war propaganda. That has zero to do with ukraine.
The chode you are asking said this a week ago.
Fuck Putin and his war, but you took that person’s quote out of context. They said that fascism is an integral part of capitalism, not that it’s great. Just that it makes systemic sense for fascism to crop up under capitalism. Maybe I’m misreading it.
You’re absolutely right. The person is trying to character assassinate me. They’re either really misunderstanding what I’m talking about or deliberately trying to smear me.
You are misreading it.
That’s the full quote, I really don’t see how you’re reading this and thinking they support fascism (or capitalism, for that matter). It’s not great phrasing, but it looks to be an indictment of capitalism on the grounds that it relies on deceiving and abusing the populace.
Was it edited or can you explain how you’re interpreting it?
Thank you for coming to my aid. That person really has it out for me it seems.
Can you expand a little? The discussion in said thread was capitalist critique, no?
Great. Of course I said this completely free of context. It was sarcasm, you jerk.
I didn’t see that in their history?
Of course you didnt because I said this in a sarcastic comment somewhere. As in, capitalism needs fascism as its whip.
Sadly, yes.
I think here in the States we’re a 9/11-style event away from happily embracing totalitarianism.
We are an ICE agent getting a blister from his shitty aftermarket grip while pointing his weapon at protestors away from embracing totalitarianism.
I have seen the comment sections FLOODED with nothing but praise for ICE and hate for alleged immigrants. We are taking someone in court was mistaken for another person, released by ICE, and there were idiots screaming GIT, how evil the lawyer is, and how if he didn’t do the crime, he would not be deported.
Yet he was innocent and RELEASED!
It’s so blatantly insane.
Not to give my fellow countrymen a pass, there’s an absolute ton of shitheels here. But do remember that on news sites there are a lot of bot comments. Don’t feel overwhelmed by voice, it’s not necessarily true.